BINGO

*****ing an moaning about a ticket he deserved is the epitomy stupid.

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Bro, your goose is cooked.

Your only choice is to get the very best traffic lawyer.

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1998 Ford Escort ZX2 5 speed - 279,000 miles My Daily

1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5 202,000 - Pure junk
2000 Mercedes E320 Black - 136,000 miles - Needs repair

Don't forget to grease the screw and threads on the spring compressor.

I learned the hard way speeding is EXPENSIVE.

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1998 Ford Escort ZX2 5 speed - 279,000 miles My Daily

1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5 202,000 - Pure junk
2000 Mercedes E320 Black - 136,000 miles - Needs repair

Don't forget to grease the screw and threads on the spring compressor.

During the first part of my Thread I had misplaced the original citation and what the Court sends does not tell you the speed you were actually cited for. All I could remember was the 62 mph that the officer discusses. He may have showed me the Radar Gun but I don't recall that.

The Officer did tell me he was writing the ticket up for less then the speed I had been going so guess what; what I talked about with the Officer became hearsay and what he wrote became the actual evidence. On the Ticket which I found after looking a bunch of hours for it has I was doing approximately 54 mph. Which has the lowest fine of $238. But what was on the paperwork from the Court was $490 which is the reason I posted this thread. You need to check that you were properly fined.

If I had paid the original wrong fine I would have cost myself an extra $253.

The attached pic shows the portion of the citation with the speeds. First notice I was not sited for a Maximum Speed Limit see red arrow.

Next my approximate speed was 54 mph.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

Besides the fine the hidden expense is the insurance increase for 3 years. Note that Traffic School out here is >$300.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

Here is another issue. The view of the speed limit sign is blocked.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

If I am found guilty I loose the fine which you have to pay when you submit the Trial by Declaration but I get the $99 back from Ticketninga. And I will suffer what ever the extra cost is to my Car Insurance because I don't want to pay >$300 for the traffic school.

Note that it used to be that if you signed up to go to Court you had to pay the Bail/Fine before hand but the CA Law changed on that.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

Online traffic school is about $25. There are even some that aren't timed and can be completed in 30min.

Have done twice in the past six years in LA county.

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Watch him go!!! link

#dontdealwithkahlil

Nonsense, traffic school in California is less than $50.

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So he did you a favor by writing the ticket for LESS speed than you were actually doing? And you're complaining about that? Now you're fighting it? Because you were doing 62 (reported as 54) in a posted 40mph zone? There are some types of stupid that simply can't be fixed. Pay your damn fine or take defensive driving and quit wasting taxpayer dollars. Oh, and if you can't obey speed limits, or you don't understand how they work, PLEASE GET OFF THE ROAD.

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Current stable:
1995 E320 149K (Nancy)
1983 500SL 120K (SLoL)

Black Sheep:
1985 524TD 167K (TotalDumpster™)

Gone but not forgotten:
1986 300SDL (RIP)
1991 350SD
1991 560SEL
1990 560SEL
1986 500SEL Euro (Rusted to nothing at 47K!)

Please explain how I am wasting Tax Dollars?

I am only making use of Tax Dollars that I paid in.

You are essentially saying that I have no rights to fight the ticket/citation and that is a lie.

And, ya if I had blindly paid the fine I would have paid $490 instead of the $238 that the fine actually is. I was overcharged $253.
If I had been charged with going 62 mpn the fine was $367 not $490.

Ya, I believe in treating the Officer's decently and having all of your paperwork in order. If they want to be lenient that is fine.

Also the Officer lowering the speed seems like a nicety but is a lure so that I would not fight the ticket.

The stuff is submitted it is going to be the Court that decides.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

This is my experience with another type of Citation.

Building an planning ticketed/cited me for having a Vehicle parked in my Back Yard (there is an Alley behind my House).

I went down to the Library (pre internet days) and looked up the Law and what I found is that if my Car could have been viewed from the street or a public thoroughfare (an Alley is a public thoroughfare) I was in violation. Sounds like a done deal right.

Except that you could not see my Car from the street and if you read the entirety of the Law in section F of the Law it said that in the case of that Law an Alley was not considered a public thoroughfare.

So I took it to Court and the Court would not allow it as it was because I could not prove if I had read the most current copy of the Law. They ask if they could take it under advisement and I said yes and 3 months later I found they had ruled in my favor and got my Citation/Ticket money back.

Another feature of the Court Case was that the Prosecutor said that I likely had other violations and I told Her that if I had other violations they would have to send someone out to cite me for those. So the Prosecutor was accusing me of other violations with zero evidence.

Also the Judge and Prosecutor try to rush you along trying to make you give up.

Less dramatic I got a notice of an overdue Parking Ticket from a City that is like 90 miles away that I had not visited for over 10 years. I arranged for time to go down to drive down their but then I realized when I took a better look at the Ticket/Citation that the Citation was for a Honda Car and I had a Honda Motorcycle.

Then I remembered that when I got the Motorcycle the original License Plates had never arrived and I had to get a new set of plates. So the License Number on the Citation also did not match.

Apparels they sent my original pates to someone else and he put them on his Car.

I called the other city traffic clerk and was able to resolve the issue without the 4 hour back and forth drive.

But, what if I had just paid the Ticket/Citation.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

And everyone else who pays in. Are you the only person in your jurisdiction who pays taxes? You think court fees are free? You think that tiny pittance you pay on your fine covers ANY of that? If so, you're delusional. All you're doing is wasting everyone else's time, effort, and money.
In a lesser offense, you can usually claim something like radar calibration being off, or some sort of technicality. In a more egregious offense (like doing 62 in a 40) your chances of getting anything like that applied to your case quickly disappear. You know you screwed up, take defensive driving or deferred justification (if your municipality offers it) and get your record expunged. Learn from your experience....pay attention to the posted speed limit and learn to keep your car within that posting. That is the law, and if you break it, you deal with the consequences. That's how this stuff works...
Yes, you had a clerical error. You got that taken care of. You still owe a fine. You still broke the law. You're still guilty.
No, that was the officer trying to save you some dough and giving you a lower penalty. Despite what you see on the news, not all cops are bad. Most are good people. Most are willing to work with you if they know it was a genuine error rather than a frequent offense. Just because your vision of how the world works is F-ed up doesn't mean that's really how it is in reality. Too bad he didn't cite you for the full 62.
Hopefully the judge throws the book at you. By your own admission you're guilty of breaking the posted speed limit, that's all they care about.

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Current stable:
1995 E320 149K (Nancy)
1983 500SL 120K (SLoL)

Black Sheep:
1985 524TD 167K (TotalDumpster™)

Gone but not forgotten:
1986 300SDL (RIP)
1991 350SD
1991 560SEL
1990 560SEL
1986 500SEL Euro (Rusted to nothing at 47K!)

Both of these incidents are clerical errors. They're different from BREAKING A POSTED SPEED LIMIT. Laws don't apply only when you feel like it. You need to seek counseling if you seriously think any of this is related.

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Current stable:
1995 E320 149K (Nancy)
1983 500SL 120K (SLoL)

Black Sheep:
1985 524TD 167K (TotalDumpster™)

Gone but not forgotten:
1986 300SDL (RIP)
1991 350SD
1991 560SEL
1990 560SEL
1986 500SEL Euro (Rusted to nothing at 47K!)

Diseasel300 you have way toooo much bias to be a judge.

In all of my driving since 1968 I got 3 tickets that there was a fine on. Seems to me since that time I have paid waaay a head on the Tax money.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel