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Old 01-07-2011, 08:45 AM
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M120 V12 (Kit Car) - Variable Intake Cam ????

Hi Guys,

Can anyone shed any light regarding the cam control on the M120 engine? Which method is used ? And how can I trigger it? .... My ECU has an RPM set output but I have absolutely no idea how?

...... I actually read somewhere that the SL600 (m120) had no variable valve timing and I was very happy in that knowledge until further developments.

......just to follow up on other posts, the kit car will be ready in late April.

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Old 01-07-2011, 08:53 AM
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Hi Guys,

Can anyone shed any light regarding the cam control on the M120 engine? Which method is used ? And how can I trigger it? .... My ECU has an RPM set output but I have absolutely no idea how?

...... I actually read somewhere that the SL600 (m120) had no variable valve timing and I was very happy in that knowledge until further developments.

......just to follow up on other posts, the kit car will be ready in late April.

Thanks Guys

Stuart
I don't know the exact details but its not exactly variable. The exhaust cam only advances a fixed amount at ~2100 RPM then retards back to base at some higher RPM. So its basically an on off switch triggered at set RPM values.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:58 AM
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Do we know what that's for? Is it performance related or again because of antipollution system? If the latter and emissions are not an issue, can the thing just be left unplugged?
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:04 AM
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Yes thats right, its cam phasing on the intake +20 degrees. On the M119 I believe they use a hydro-mechanical set up? Is that the same on the M120.

So I would need to hydraulically activate the (VVT) via a pump which is annoying as I`ve ditched the tandom pump.... but I`m sure I can rig something up.
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I don't know the exact details but its not exactly variable. The exhaust cam only advances a fixed amount at ~2100 RPM then retards back to base at some higher RPM. So its basically an on off switch triggered at set RPM values.
OFF <2100 rpm is for smooth idling,
ON 2100>4700 for increased torque
OFF at 4700 for volumetric efficiency
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:18 AM
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It is a simple on/off. 12vlts and ground.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:23 AM
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It is a simple on/off. 12vlts and ground.
Is that to a pump or do you mean straight to the cam gear? The reason I ask is that some systems are elctro magnetic....well I`m told that
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:30 AM
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You can see the connector plugs on the central intake cam shafts on the picture below, I`m hopeing that the connectors are the magic items I need to connect to a 12v supply.

Any ideas what the sensor/connector on the far left hand is?


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Old 01-07-2011, 10:28 AM
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I don't know the exact details but its not exactly variable. The exhaust cam only advances a fixed amount at ~2100 RPM then retards back to base at some higher RPM. So its basically an on off switch triggered at set RPM values.

Exhaust? Do you mean the intake cam?
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Old 01-07-2011, 04:58 PM
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Exhaust? Do you mean the intake cam?
I thought it was exhaust based on my 54 year old half dead brain cells. But looking at the picture it must be intake.
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Old 01-07-2011, 05:02 PM
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OFF <2100 rpm is for smooth idling,
ON 2100>4700 for increased torque
OFF at 4700 for volumetric efficiency
Anyone ever try leaving it on for increased torque at all times. How would it run in the 1/4 mile with a bypass switch in the cockpit??
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:40 PM
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The megasquirt guys at DIYAutotune have a controller specifically for variable cams now. I'd like to see someone mess with it, and even adapt the adjuster mechanism it to work on both cams. It isn't automatic but I think you can basically set the table for it like a fuel map. Curious if it could make an old engine as efficient as a new one.
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Old 01-07-2011, 10:19 PM
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So the advance is hydraulic off of oil pressure. It has a plunger in front that is pulled by the solenoids when activated. The solenoids are 12vlts and grounded for activation. You can just run them with a switch, but you do not want them over the mid 5000 rpm range. It will cost you hp. I have done a fair bit of dyno runs with them on and off and different combinations of switch points. I have mine turn off at just under 5250 rpm.

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