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Old 01-09-2010, 07:08 AM
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Now all the BAS Esp and ABS lights are permanently on - I have checked the K6, K25 relays and the brake light switches. These work perfectly fine. Will do the next procedure as directed by the forum
There is one thing bothering me. I got the new brake pads fitted some 2 months back. Can the problem be related to that? Could the mechanic have done something to disturb the circuit which caused these lights to switch on?
Thanks and advance!

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Old 03-19-2010, 11:23 PM
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Talking Thank you thank you thank you!

Hi there, this is our first post to the forum we stumbled upon it through another thread on another forum trying to fix another problem with our 2001 ML320.
We (well the husband part of the we!) cleaned up the brake switch and then we hauled it's sorry self to get some computer diagnosis which told us that indeed, the brake light was faulty but had been fixed, code was cleared but left us with the information that the ABS pump had failed... erggh.We also still had all three lights up too of course.
We had quotes from AUD$1000 with ours traded in for a second hand one and AUD$1600 for a "reco" (plus freight- we live on a large island rather than mainland Australia).
BUT! WAIT! I found Jim's fantastic blow by blow post about his repair and the husband-half pottered off and resoldered the joint and siliconed it up as per Jim's post...perfect! No more nasty lights for us!
Thank you soooooo much Jim for providing such vaulable info- it is no only such a money saving but it was quicker for the husband-half to repair than it would have been to run around finding the parts!
YAY!
Thanks!
JJ and Jess

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Old 04-23-2010, 03:24 AM
Jim in Phoenix
 
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ABS/ETS Lights On

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Originally Posted by jfreezn View Post
This was on my 98 ML320, other vehicles may be similar.

Since these lights would come on instantly, after starting the engine, I figured I had a hard failure somewhere in the ABS/ETS system. See my previous entry on this subject of a couple days ago.

After checking the 40 amp fuse that feeds this circuit, I pulled the relay, K25, that feeds the ABS high pressure pump. I can test a relay on my workbench and it tested fine. I also noted there are at least 3 identical relays so rotating them into the ABS socket was also an option.

I had a wiring diagram that I got from the Tempe library, which has a free Mitchell repair access. It shows a red wire going from the load side of the relay to the ABS high pressure pump motor and then to ground. Putting 12VDC directly to the load slot of the socket SHOULD have run the pump, but it didn't.

Testing further, I unplugged the two pin connector which feeds the ABS pump and put 12 VDC directly to the motor. By pulling the sheath back, I was able to see the wire colors. Since brown is always ground on Mercedes, I knew to put the plus 12 VDC to the other wire, to insure the rotation was correct.

The pump ran smoothly! I needed to verify that power was reaching the pump assy.

Unplugging the 15 pin connector from the ABS pump unit was a little tricky. The sheath over the plug pulls straight up and then the sheath becomes a ramping device that pushes the connector out of it's socket. My fingers could start the motion but it took a little pliers to get enough grip to release this connector. The bottom two pins were hot and ground and fed through the housing to the 2 pin connector. With my temporary 12 VDC still connected to the relay socket, I found that 12 VDC was indeed reaching the ABS pump assy, but NOT getting through to the 2 pin connector. The problem had to be in the ABS housing somewhere.

NOTE: At this point I found it conducive to remove the driver's side headlight unit for more working room. A 5 minute task to figure out how to release the plastic trim strip under the headlight where two nuts were hidden.

The front of the ABS pump unit appeared to have a wiring acces cover and I got really lucky here as the whole actuator control and wiring came off by removing 4 small 6 point screws. It just slid off the 12 pins that seal the fluid side of the magnet assemblies, No fluid is released and I had the printed circuit board in my hand.

Checking with my VOM connected to read resistance on pin 15 to the pin on the two pin connector that feeds the motor, I found high resistance with considerable fluctuation whenever the pins were flexed a little. BAD SOLDER JOINT! Where have we heard this before? The manufacturer is ATE, a well known vendor, but who knows how many ABS pumps hit the trash can because of a simple joint failure. At $1200 each, I am glad I took the time to find this problem.

The PC side of the board was covered with a 1/4" of clear jellied sealant, easily removed with an exacto type knife. I cleaned the old joints with brake cleaner, then I soldered both pins and in minutes the unit was reassembled and tested. Zero resistance is good! I used some clear silicone to close up over the newly resoldered joints.

Suffice to say that I rejoiced when the engine started and both lights were eztinguished. Knowing that I had ABS again was a big relief too.

I took a few pictures and will try to attach them. If this file is already too big I will send a separate file. Thanks to all who took the time to reply to my pevious note.

Jim in Phoenix

This is amazing! My post from 8/31/06 is still active. I just had a request from Greece for my photos,(That's what brought me back to this forum) which have apparently been lost in the shuffle. Also heard from a guy in Canada, and see a positive comment from Australia.

I will try to attach the pictures to this post. By the way, I haven't been to this site since 11/19/08, until today, is that about when they changed the name.

I still have my 98 Ml (168,000 miles) and the ABS/ETS lights have never returned since my repair, almost 4 years ago!

Finally, I see some private messages for me and I apologise for the lack of replies--I lost this site a couple years ago and they seem to have lost me as well, as I never got copies of any of these messages since then.

Lets see if I can attach the 4 pictures.

Jim in Phoenix
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:24 PM
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BAS/ESP Help!

Just joined! Interesting stuff. I'm dealing with a 99 ML 320. The BAS/ESP light only comes on when the car is moving...during start up and idle no light. Once you hit the road for a short distance here they come. Shut car down --restart -- no light. ESP/BAS only comes on whenth ecar in moving.

I was wondering, if anyone thinks the ABS cold solder fix described is what's in order here? Oh yeah already changed out the light switch.

Thanks for the input!

Mike

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Old 10-19-2010, 09:59 AM
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I just bought a 2000 ML430 ... BONUS, it came with all three lights already on. The purchase price was adjusted due to the lights.

I pulled the control module and soldered the joint for pin 15. All the lights are still on! The pump DOES NOT run with the the relay jumped!?!?!?

The pump on the 2000 model year is slightly different than the '98 & '99. The motor on the hydro unit DOES NOT have the external two wire power feed. The feed goes the THROUGH valve block.

I cleaned all the wheel speed sensors but have not done the steering lock-to-lock reset. I do not know if the brake light switch has been replaced.

Questions:

1) Should the pump run when jumpered at the relay regardless of other problems?
2) Can the pump electric motor be removed from the hydraulic valve block without compromising the integrity of the non-ABS/EPS/BAS functions?

Thanks

Eddie

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1999 ML430
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Old 10-19-2010, 03:33 PM
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Update ...

The electric motor was removed from the pump and spun manually. The motor was connected directly to a 12V power source and it ran??? The motor was installed back onto the ABS Hydraulic Pump and the ABS control modual, the jumper was installed and THE PUMP RUNS! YAHOO!

The relay was installed, the car was started and the ABS and EST lights DO NOT ILLUMINATE! YAHOO!

But the BAS/ESP light is still on???? RATS!

What's up? Does this need to be reset at the Dealer?

Thanks

Eddie
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Old 02-06-2011, 11:26 PM
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Jim, that was world class trouble shooting! 45 min. and I was so happy. ETS and ABS lights out at start up, no steering limit reset. I pulled the relay, did a jumper from the two large lugs, no key on, no pump run, but I had 12 volts connected. I pulled the drivers headlamp, removing the lower trim for the 2 X screws, jumped the motor at the 2 pin, my hot was a red wire, pump runs, circuit pulled, solderd, mine was end pins 8 and 15. Really cool. Note, on another matter, the heat is on all the time on my ML 320. I have verified the A/C control module, located behind the center dash, is maintaining 12 V to the "Hot" motor direction all of the time. The temp set dial (not climate control, or set by degrees, manual type) is inputing a change in resistance, but referencing + or -. Interior temp sensor is at 4,500 ohms. Dealer wants 275 US. I will try frys for replacement component, when I figure it out. Keep it posted as I find out. Again, a most excellant, and satisfying solution you have, Thanks again, mark
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:58 PM
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I have a 2000 ML 320 and I recently had the BAS Control Module replaced b/c of this same problem, BAS, ABS, ETS lights coming on. It was a horrifically expensive repair, $3400. About a week after the repair, the lights came back on. I returned to Mercedes and they couldn't figure it out and, of course, the codes wouldn't come on for them. Several weeks later it started to happen more frequently. I took it to a friend who is a Lexus mechanic with a lot of German car experience as well. I left it with him and the pump ran continuously for at least 6 hours. He took the temp with an infrared thermometer and it was running at 302 degrees hours after I stopped driving. I took it back to Mercedes today. They are saying that the relay or release switch (not sure what they said) is sticking so they are replacing the release switch. My concern is this - if this fixes the issue, my friend said that the entire module should be replaced b/c it ran hot for so long. Thoughts? I have already spent a fortune on this issue and I can't say that I have a lot of faith in the dealership right now. By the way, the Lexus mechanic fully supports your advice about finding a mechanic (if you are not mechanically inclined yourself) who is wiling to take out the module and send it off for repair first. He said often it is resolved with a little soldering. Errrrrr. Things I wish I knew several weeks ago. Thanks for your fantastic thread. I only wish I had found it months ago.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:24 PM
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Ok, so I started this project today hoping to save lots of money but ran into a problem. Get the light with no issues, unscrew the module with no issue but when I go to take wire harness off (it comes off during the ramping as described) the blue part of the wire harness stays inside the module and the back part of it disconnects from it. This exposes the pins and such from the plug and when I do attempt to separate the blue part of the harness from the module it starts to crumble and break, Yikes! I follow the harness back and it appears to be hard wired to the fuse box. Her is the question, can you just get that part of wire harness and reconstruct? Thanks
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:04 AM
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ABS & ETS lights- connector pin block

Charli411,
As I understand it, the 15 pin connector assembly block has begun to break apart on your ML. If this is the part you are talking about I can say that the same thing happened in my case too. After spending about an hour at the parts counter at the dealership near where I was working at the time, and working with a VERY helpful parts counter gentleman working the phones with MBUSA, he found the connector block part. I ordered one and it was perfect. The part number is 032 545 18 28. As I recall, it included the interior part where the 15 wire terminals plug in to the rear of the connector housing as well as the exterior "ramping shroud" which fits over it.

I will look for the tool I made to remove the wire terminals from the block one at a time and private message you with the photo.

That repair from January 2008 has been trouble free ever since.
Hope this helps you.
Ken
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:24 AM
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Hey there Kwmccauley
I need help with the ETS light also, for my ML320 98,
can you upload a Pic of the location for the metal cold solder joints that need solder?
I have tried it all and still no luck getting rid of this ETS Light,
thanks for your time and help
any advise about getting rid of the ETS problem is greatly appreciated!!
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:38 AM
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ETS lights

Lito420,
I would be happy to send you the photos of the solder joint areas but this project was 4 years ago for me and I have had some computer hard disk problems since then which caused a loss of many files including photos. So I do not have photos to send. That said, I should also mention that the solder joints turned out to not be the problem that I had with my '98 ML320. The problem I was having with the lights was caused by a wire that had chafed all the way through. It was a wire that ran to the ABS hydraulic pump. The wire that chafed through was located behind the left side headlight assembly.
Did you also try replacing the brake light switch near the top of the brake pedal arm?
Ken
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:44 AM
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Chafed wire repair

Lito420,
If you go back to post numbers 10 and 12 (5/20/08 and 5/21/08) in this thread there is some more information on the damaged wire that was causing the issue with my '98 ML320.
The vehicle is still running great at 244,000 miles with no further ETS/ABS problems since the January 2008 fix.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:00 PM
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Thumbs up BAS/ESP-ETS-ABS Trifecta

Hi Everyone
Just wanted to share that the wonderful group at Hoehn Mercedes was able to save me heartache by replacing the relay PN#002-542-26-19, the relay contacts were worn out. They performed DTC's and found fault code C1401 for high pressure and return pump, the relay was inspected and the relay contacts were indeed worn out. Hydraulic unit relay replaced and codes were cleared. NOW if the problem comes back I ill need the BAS hydraulic unit parts retail $1,736.00 - relay $23.50 - I'm good. This forum really help me put my thinking cap on - It also doesn't hurt to have a dad and an uncle as East Coast consultants everytime I have an issue - Good Luck to all

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98 C230
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:59 AM
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ml 320 abs three lights are on

just giving my 10 cents here read these other posts and well i had all three abs related lights on ,on my dash....so i just went out and crawled underneath my 320 where the pump and motor are located behind the drivers headlight and just wiggled the 15 pin connector without even removing it just yet and sweet it worked.....and another thing to removing if you do so everything on mercedes are known to be torx bits internal and external which are metric which are not cheap as regular sockets and bits.....you can go to any auto parts store and by them mostly sold individualy.....also the cover over the 15 pin connector you wont break it off if you lay down underneath like i said before and just push the cover up it slides in place .....

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