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Old 12-03-2004, 12:14 AM
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"I think any election, if there is one, ought to be free from any foreign influence. These elections ought to be open and fair. The position of our government is that the will of the people must be known and heard."

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Old 12-03-2004, 12:45 AM
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Gee, sounds like something from the revolutionary war. Not relevent in today's world where all economies are attached to each other thanks to the huge advances in transportation. Isolationism should be dead. Our world is shrinking everyday.
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Sounds like someone's been watching the History Channel.....
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Old 12-03-2004, 03:19 AM
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I believe Bush said it about the Ukranian elections. The irony being, he has the nerve to say that as he imposes puppet governments where ever the urge strikes him.
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:41 AM
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From September 27, 2004

The Bush administration has been forced to scale back a plan proposing a covert CIA operation to aid candidates, favoured by Washington, in the Iraq elections after lawmakers raised questions about the idea when it was sent to Capitol Hill.

The plan, written several months ago, wanted to help such candidates "whose opponents might be receiving covert backing from other countries, like Iran" but not necessarily to go so far as to rig the elections, US media reports said.

But lawmakers, from both parties, raised questions about the idea when it was sent to Capitol Hill. In particular, house minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections," said Time magazine.

Pelosi, Time said, had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue.

"I cannot in any way comment on classified matters, the existence or nonexistence of findings. But there have been and continue to be concerns about efforts by outsiders to influence the outcome of the Iraqi elections, including money flowing from Iran," Rice's spokesman Sean McCormack told the magazine.

"This raises concerns about whether there will be a level playing field for the election. In the final analysis, we have adopted a policy that we will not try to influence the outcome of the upcoming Iraqi election by covertly helping individual candidates for office," he said.

A senior US official hinted that, under pressure from the Hill, the Administration scaled back its original plans. During his visit to Washington and New York, interim Iraqi president had insisted that elections, scheduled for January, would go ahead despite increasing violence in the country.

Secretary of State Colin Powell told CNN’s “Late Edition” that the United States has a history of “overtly” supporting candidates for office in governments that are making a transition to democracy.

“I don’t discuss covert programs, but I will say that we do have overt programs, and everybody knows about them,” Powell said.

“We will be providing assistance for capacity building in parties so that we can see a political system come alive, in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and we’ll be doing it overtly,” Powell said.
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Old 12-03-2004, 10:40 AM
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Don't you guys ever tire of listening to yourselves beat the same drum
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Old 12-03-2004, 10:52 AM
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No. It is because these are issues that have heavy impact on us, our childrean and their children. If you don't like the topic, you don't have to participate. That's a freedom of choice. Or you can start something you like and see if anybody wants to discuss. Plain and simple.
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Calm down. Take a pill. Relax. I'm just nudging ya in the ribs.
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Calm down. Take a pill. Relax. I'm just nudging ya in the ribs.
Yeah -- everyone else here is just trying to agree and get along, and here you come stirring up trouble!
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Old 12-03-2004, 11:09 AM
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Yeah, Rick. Don't you know by now we all a loving bunch?
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Old 12-03-2004, 11:09 AM
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MedMech was right the other day....no one wants to laugh around here anymore. Too many taking themselves waaay too seriously.
Oh well. Guess "they" were right. You can't go back home.
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Sorry guys. Didn't mean to kill this thread. It just seems that whatever "important issue" is brought up, the same rhetoric is used over and over by the same people. Ever read the story about the Boy that cried Wolf?
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled program.
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Ever read the story about the Boy that cried Wolf?
One of my favorites
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Sorry guys. Didn't mean to kill this thread. It just seems that whatever "important issue" is brought up, the same rhetoric is used over and over by the same people. Ever read the story about the Boy that cried Wolf?
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled program.
This is an important issue. If the Iraqi people don't perceive they have had a free and fair election there is just going to be more violence and we will just sink deeper into the quagmire. So far the election is a joke. The largest political party, the Baathists, has been banned. With only six weeks to go, not a single candidate has been able to campaign, because doing so is a sure ticket to be assasinated. Over 200 parties have been formed, and the voters have no knowledge of what any of them stand for. The Kurds don't want to participate, and the Sunnis who are not currently being machine gunned by us don't want to either. Now we are going to throw election-fixing into the friggin mess.
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Members of our armed services have recently had their deployments extended, some for the second time or third time, while additional units have been activated. The increase in the U.S. troop count is part of an effort to provide the security for these important elections. Yet the administration thought it was in its best interest to influence the elections in Iraq and then have the cajones to send a message to Putin to keep his influence out of the Ukraine?

If we're using our most important military assets, shouldn't it be for an equally important cause?

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