The story on this women who butchered another women for her unborn child is about the most shocking thing I've read this year. I know these crimes happen from time to time but they just never cease to fill one with viseral disgust. What is inside these people's heads? Yet another case that challenge's ones views on the death penalty. Is the women who did this an insane person that should be spared, or a monster who should be done away with? Unbelievable.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6727845/

Sick, sick woman! From what I have read about the case, the victim actually knew her killer. Both showed dogs.

Lisa Montgomery (the killer) posted on one of the dog forums to Bobbie (the victim) that she wanted to look at one of her puppies. She used another screen name and Bobbie emailed her directions to her home.

I used to live a more public life on the net. I mean, lots of people knew me and I knew lots of people irl. Now I don't even put pictures of my kid on the net anymore.

Freaky sick people allover.

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Same here, this story turns my stomach so bad I can't even watch when they do a news clip on it. Now I have to update the Death Penalty thread.

and for irl safety show a picture of one of your guns every 25 posts.

This type of stuff always happened in the past. The media just never reported on it because they used to think it was bad form. Now the media will do anything to keep your attention for ratings. Greed.

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I think she shoud get the same penalty reserved for anyone else who murders another person with premeditation in a heinous way for personal gain: Life in prison, or death.

If I had to rank it, I'd put it one step below what Scott Pederson did on the heinous scale, and a few steps above your run of the mill 'plot and carry out a murder against a business partner for personal gain' murderer.

One of the articles someone (mikemover?) posted last night mentioned this had happened 'several times' in the past, but without reference to whom, where, how many, or in what timeframe. It made me wonder how common this really is, like shane suggests.

Edit: The couple showed the baby off to their pastor... "Wheatly and his wife commented that the baby, whom the couple called Abigail, did not look like a newborn because her head was not misshapen from passing through the birth canal, a common result of childbirth that soon goes away." Shudder.

From the article:

From the linked article:

Webwench:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6732499/

KV, I just barely beat you to it in the preceding post...

that the killer lady had previously posted on some internet forum that she wanted tips on how to slaughter a pig. This lady needs to be put out of her misery.

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The more you read about it the more horrible it becomes. I just read that the poor girl's mother found her all cut up like that. My heart goes out to the mother, to have to find her daughter like that. The killer strangeled her before butchering her - it must have been beyond horrible to have to die with another life inside of you. The monster that did this is as cold blooded as they come. To think she took it to a church to show it off just shows what a sick craven waste of air this subhuman is. The good news is the feds are looking at doing her up on a Federal kidnapping rap because she crossed state lines, a death penalty fast track eliminating all state appeals. If it was me, I'd let the parents of that girl do her with an ax.

An excellent idea! Can I take a chop or two at her when they're finished?

What a piece of inhuman $h!t that woman is! I'm sorry, but I can't prevent myself from being extremely blunt concerning this horrible story.....Anyone who condones anything OTHER than the death penalty for that monster is an idiot.

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OK I'll be the idiot.

This sort of case, the most vile inhuman behavior imaginable, are the easy ones. The serial killers, the torturers, they makes it easy for the "kill em all" crowd to have something to point to and say, "how can you oppose the death penalty" and they are right. This person doesn't deserve to draw another breath.

But the same system that lets you kill this nut is also the same system that quietly convicts and kills innocent people that we don't hear of. Until someone can guarantee that your not going to execute an innocent man, I will remain opposed to a legal system that employs the death penalty.

But its not the nature of the case or the nature of the defendent that should matter in sentencing - its the nature of the evidence. This case illustrates what I was saying before - her guilt is clear cut. She's a poster child for the term "crazed killer". In cases like these - death row. Now look at Petersen. Since no physical evidence ties him to the crime, there is an infintissmal chance he could be innocent - same exact crime, murder of a pregnant women, in Petersen's case even more heinous because the child was lost too - but under what mm and I are advocating - he gets to live. We need to junk what we are doing in death penalty cases and get a system like that in place.

I understand what you and MM are advocating and while I agree in theory, in practice it's an impossibility. THis isn't engineering or science where everything can be reduced to a formula. There is too much individual judgement and human interaction involved. The guilty go free and the innocent are convicted, there is just no way around it.