You'd just need to review former Reagan publicity statements to learn how those characters were the "moral equivalent of our founding fathers"--check it out sometime, very interesting and fun indeed.

I feel much better now.

Thru the fog of so many threads I vaguely remember asking you or someone else what they thought of the character of someone as a means for me be to "calibrate" their judgement.

I've never read a more backwardflip flopped characterization of John Kerry.

One thing Kerry can be given credit for is the acronym "DYKWIA" (Do You Know Who I Am!) .

Try googling "DYKWIA Kerry".

This one is particularly delicious:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/000421.html


glenmore

So?

Your hypothetical story actually applies to the Saddam situation VERY well: The "perp" shouldn't have pointed a gun at the cop to begin with. He was begging for it.

In such a situation, I would lose NO sleep over the death of the perp, and would hold the cop minimally responsible, if at all.

Mike

Speaking of vague, I have a vague sense that I have just been insulted. Maybe someone could translate Glenmore's post into English for me.

Allow me to give you my interpretation...

I don't think you were insulted, unless you take it personnally when those you admire are taken to task.

In essence I believe that Glenmore was trying to say that the character of a person is important when assesing their decision making skills and their motivation for the job they aspire to.

JK seems to have aspired to high political office from when he was a child. In that quest he would do or say anything to achieve that position. His aspiration is more important than the office he seeks. As his time as a Senator has shown, once in office his goal is completed - there is no need to do anything else, except maybe shoot for the next highest office.

His unfounded arrogance and reliance upon his familial ties, both parental and those by marriage, are very offputting to many. Contrasting JK's behavior when he fell sking and the current President when he falls biking speaks volumes. One blames the secret service guard for tripping him because "I does not fall..." the other laughs, gets back up and goes riding for the fun of it.

Classic quote (paraphrased) "it is doubly advantageous for me to be both for the war and against the war..."

Well put -- I can think of no greater condemnation of GW than that.

Then you must not have been paying attention to all the discussions here and about lately. There seem to be many more than just this one. Like "he's from Texas..." for one... What about how he single handedly, under control of Cheney of course, plotted for the extinction of the dinosaurs so that he could then make money off of the rising cost of oil today

:D :D :D

Ah, so you're an admirer of folks who attempt to gain advantage over opponents by employing the "brown baby" gambit. Yes, he's quite a guy.

Hmmmmmm.... I'm at a loss. Could you give me a little more background on the "brown baby gambit"? I'm afraid I'm not aware of what that is.

The Bush campaign initiated a whisper campaign (supposedly a Karl Rove special) in the south (possibly SC) during the 2000 primary, which condemned John McCain for having a brown baby. Of course, there was no mention of the fact that the child was adopted. Just my O, but that is really about as low as low can get.

Is that how Glenmore meant his comment? I thought he was attempting to "calibrate" my judgment and that my comment about John Kerry revealed to him that I am a clown. That's why he feels so much better now. At least that's what I took him to mean. If so, then he has an odd way of "calibrating" people. And he read more into my offhand comment about Kerry than I ever intended.IMHO, you overstate the case, but I understand your position.I suppose each of us can come up with anecdotes that make the other's guy look bad. For example, I would refer to the time Bush made fun of a death row inmate right around the time he signed the order putting her to death. There are other examples of Bush's lack of character, but that's not getting us anywhere.You were doing pretty well on the facts until you got to this point. Your paraphrase distorts Kerry's meaning when he said, "I voted for it before I voted against it." Kerry's vote against the supplemantal appropriation for Iraq was the fiscally responsible vote, and it had no effect on getting the bill passed.

Yup, that's when I switched. Admitedly I was pretty fed up with the prior 6 years of boorish republican behavior and impeachment BS but the 2000 primary was the last straw. McCain is a good man and the depths to which they sunk to savage one of their own was disgusting.

What makes it even better is that nobody cares enough to either prove it or disprove it. The people who care about it the most are the ones who wouldn't have voted for Bushie anyway. So there's no incentive for the Bushie-boys to disprove it. Also, the same folks who got panty-wadded and are still weeping wouldn't want to waste time proving or disproving it, would they? So it sits there like a stinky armadillo, feet-up on a hot road.

B

Actually, the quote was in reference to the Vietnam War. Seems he couldn't make up his mind then either.

My mistake.

Are you saying that he was against the Vietnam War when he went over there?