The reality based community

[Honus]

Someone, I wish I knew who it is, came up with the phrase, "reality based community", to describe critics of W. The author of that phrase deserves a prize, because it is dead on.

Check out the following quotes, courtesy of The Washington Monthly, and tell me this country hasn't gone completely insane:


Summer 2002, a senior Bush official to Ron Suskind: "[Establishment liberals] believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."


Summer 2005, a senior Bush official to Robin Wright and Ellen Knickmeyer: "What we expected to achieve [in Iraq] was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground. We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."

[AustinsCE]

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

[kerry]

Today's Denver Post quoted Bush on why he refuses to talk to Cindy Sheehan, the mother whose son was killed in Iraq. Bush said he can't talk to her because "It's important for me to go on with my life."
Can't be any more reality based than that.

[AustinsCE]

"I may not have been the greatest president, but I've had the most fun eight years." –Bill Clinton

[GermanStar]

What, are you filling in for Bone?

[djugurba]

Originally Posted by kerry edwards

Today's Denver Post quoted Bush on why he refuses to talk to Cindy Sheehan, the mother whose son was killed in Iraq. Bush said he can't talk to her because "It's important for me to go on with my life."
Can't be any more reality based than that.

You mean she's one of over 1800 mothers whose sons have been killed in Iraq...

[koop]

Well he ought to meet with her. His numbers are in the tank, she aint going nowhere it's a PR nightmare.

[koop]

I agree with you about the lame duck part. Republicans are running from him. SS is a dead issue. He's done enough damage, time to just run out the clock.

[Botnst]

Why meet her twice? She's pretty-well demonstrated her feelings are immutable. I don't think ol' George is going to change his policy because of anything she has to say. And what does she have to say?

Her son died.

Well, that happens. For the parent, it especially sucks.

Given the choice, I rather expect her son would prefer to be alive.

Given the choice, I'll bet even Dubyah would prefer that her son not have died carrying-out US policy. But it was his choice to join the Army, not his Mommy's. He signed, he did the training, he fought the battles and he lost his life doing it. It may not be what we want and it damn-sure isn't what he wanted. But he did his duty.

So, how does Mom honor her son's choices and her son's death? Playing politics with her son's corpse. Some honor.

Yeah, if I were the president, I wouldn't want to be in the same room with her. Heck, I don't have to be president to feel that way.

[KATSCAN]

"Ask not what this country can do for you, but how many women in this country that I can do". Bill Clinton

[AustinsCE]

Originally posted by GermanStar
What, are you filling in for Bone?

Yeah, didn't you hear? It's my fault all these members are leaving. I figure I gotta give back what they can't leave behind. Or something? I don't really know? **** you and your ***** *** comments.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by Botnst

...So, how does Mom honor her son's choices and her son's death? Playing politics with her son's corpse. Some honor...

I'm sure she's crushed that she can't live up to your famous regard for personal honor. Clearly, you are in a much better position to determine the most honorable way to remember the son who died for what she believes is a lie. Perhaps if W won't meet with her, she could meet with you instead.

[MTI]

I guess in Botnst's world, the mothers of dead soldiers shouldn't be seen nor heard, they should just sit quietly, holding on to the flag that once draped a coffin, like all good role models.

[AustinsCE]

I live in botnst's world too. And botnst's worlds mothers shouldnt sit quiet, they should talk with their kids before they join THE MILITARY!!!! Then not get pissed at the president when they actually get called upon to SERVE!!!! in I dont know? a WAR perhaps? The pres. would still be talking if every mother of every son who died in every american war wanted to have a second meeting! Grief is one thing, I know what its like to lose someone, maybe not a kid, but I would be proud of them serving theirs and my own country, not devalue the sacrifice by going through some BS attention tour.

[MTI]

Actually this discussion is meaningless until you live in Cindy Sheehan's world.