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mikemover · #**151** 08-26-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Hahahahahahaha, You obviously know nothing about how the fuel costs f-up the transporation index, which in turns screws up everything from the cost of a grape to the cost of a jet.

It takes ENERGY to make and move almost EVERYTHING.

Try to borrow money short term (something business has to do all the time), and look at what it will cost you.

Wow, some people have NO clue.

Yes, some people have NO clue, and you are obviously among the "some".

We're still paying FAR less for our fuel than just about every other civilized nation on the planet. The cost of fuel is not really that high, when you factor in inflation. It's not much higher than it was 20 years ago, when you figure it against the GDP and average incomes.

Fuel costs are up lately, but we will adjust. We always have.

Sorry, I don't fall for all this "sky is falling" paranoia about the economy that Democrats love to drum up EVERY TIME that they are not in office.

The economy is fine.

Mike

peragro · #**152** 08-26-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Nice insult, I'm happy to see you prove that your people are brilliant debaters.

Nice to see you characterizing an entire group of people based upon your personal feelings towards some of them rather than taking them as individuals. As long as were doing that... It's nice to hear your side do the above to everyone who disagrees with them and then turn around a slam the same folks for lack of sensitivity to diversity. I've never been called "stupid" so many times as I have in the last 4 years. I'm kinda diggin it.

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Try to borrow money short term (something business has to do all the time), and look at what it will cost you.

I can get a short term loan today for anywhere from 1% to 3.99%. Much better rates than 10 years ago. Perhaps you just have really crappy credit.

Anyone who is good at business seems to be of the opinion that the economy is rolling along fine. The rise in fuel seems to not have had a detrimental effect - to the surprise of many economists (this would be an indication by the way that the economy is doing better than was suspected). Indeed, even the dreaded deficit is reducing far quicker than even the Bush administration said it would. Guess those tax breaks really did give a boost to the economy.

DieselAddict · #**153** 08-26-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

There is nothing wrong with the economy right now.

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050826/D8C7M8400.html?PG=home&SEC=news

Fuel prices and loan rates are not an indication of economic health. GDP, budget deficit and unemployment are. While GDP and unemployment are good right now, the budget deficit may bring problems (see article). And there's no doubt that the pointless Iraq war is a major contributor to the problem if not the main one.

GottaDiesel · #**154** 08-26-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

=I can get a short term loan today for anywhere from 1% to 3.99%. Much better rates than 10 years ago. Perhaps you just have really crappy credit.

Hahahaha, clearly you know nothing about short-term commercial paper.

You show me where you can borrow short-term money at the commerical level for those rates, unsecured (no personal guarantee), and I'll pay you a full point over your high end for it, just for your trouble.

Oh and, genius, my FICO score is 821, only unless I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE the paper, will that come into play. I think the rates you are talking about is for credit card balance transfers, etc. Good luck borrowing $250K like that.

Man! Some people shouldn't play with the big guns, that's how you get hurt, or at best, look really silly.

peragro · #**155** 08-26-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Hahahaha, clearly you know nothing about short-term commercial paper.

You show me where you can borrow short-term money at the commerical level for those rates, unsecured (no personal guarantee), and I'll pay you a full point over your high end for it, just for your trouble.

Oh and, genius, my FICO score is 821, only unless I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE the paper, will that come into play. I think the rates you are talking about is for credit card balance transfers, etc. Good luck borrowing $250K like that.

Man! Some people shouldn't play with the big guns, that's how you get hurt, or at best, look really silly.

I was looking at my personnal situation. I don't need $250K, and yes, my FICO is up there with yours.

If you believe in your business endeavor that much why not secure your loan with, say, your house.

A264172 · #**156** 08-26-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

If the cost of fueling up their vehicle is such a massive hurdle for someone, then perhaps they should find a more lucrative line of work.

Ha Ha

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Been to gatherings with 6 them, only two where specifically for "birthdays". The other 2 I fish with. Hope that's specific enough for you.

Ha Ha Ha Ha

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Originally Posted by peragro

Nice to see you characterizing an entire group of people

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

no doubt that the pointless Iraq war is a major contributor to the problem if not the main one.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... Yea.

A264172 · #**157** 08-26-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by A264172
How does USA vs. Iraq II support our free-market coupled with personal freedom stratagy against China, Islam, et. all?

Huh???
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Originally Posted by A264172
How does USA vs. Iraq II support our free-market coupled with personal freedom stratagy against China, Islam, et. all?

I amm NOT going to help you write your poly sci 101 paper!!"

I'm not sure you can write that paper using sound reason.
Not because it's not possible to claim that it's necessary to have a USA vs. Iraq II, USA vs. Iraq I,... (in reverse, US Mid-East foreign policy), but because it's not part of the same method mentioned.

It (US MEFP) is a method that does not depend on its own inherent superiority for achievements, but on a temporal superiority it has attained that can be supplanted. Those that win wars of (19.)‘global socio-political evolution’ are not temporal powers but powers with a methodology superior to their contemporaries.

#**158** 08-26-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

Nice insult, I'm happy to see you prove that your people are brilliant debaters. It'll be a happy day when you're with BHD. You're just pissed off because you were stupid enough to fall for the "we need a war" line of crap, and now you and the rest of the war supporters realize that you were nothing more than tools. And, how ironic, clearly NOT the sharpest. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Now run along, I think I hear BHD calling you.

I think you need some intuition my stance on the war is crystal clear and most...if not all...... but you...... can figure that one out, I'm going to take a wild guess and think that your a consultant by trade. if you wonder what I mean by that I'll fire off a couple jokes to make my point.

A shepherd was herding his flock in a remote pasture when suddenly a Mercedes Diesel advanced out of the dust cloud towards him. The driver, a young man in a Broni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban sunglasses and YSL tie, leaned out the window and asked the shepherd, "If I tell you exactly how many sheep you have in your flock, will you give me one?"

The shepherd looked at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looked at his peacefully grazing flock and calmly answered, "Sure."

The yuppie parked his car, whipped out his notebook and connected it to a cell phone , then he surfed to a NASA page on the internet where he called up a GPS satellite navigation system, scanned the area, and then opened up a database and an Excel spreadsheet with complex formulas. He sent an email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, received a response. Finally, he prints out a 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized printer then turns to the shepherd and says, "You have exactly 1586 sheep."

"That is correct; take one of the sheep." said the shepherd. He watches the young man select one of the animals and bundle it into his car.

Then the shepherd says: " If I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my sheep?"

"OK, why not." answered the young man.

"Clearly, you are a consultant." said the shepherd.

"That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answers the shepherd. "You turned up here although nobody called you. You want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked, and you don't know crap about my business. Now give me back my dog."

peragro · #**159** 08-26-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by A264172

I'm not sure you can write that paper using sound reason.
Not because it's not possible to claim that it's necessary to have a USA vs. Iraq II, USA vs. Iraq I,... (in reverse, US Mid-East foreign policy), but because it's not part of the same method mentioned.

It (US MEFP) is a method that does not depend on its own inherent superiority for achievements, but on a temporal superiority it has attained that can be supplanted. Those that win wars of (19.)‘global socio-political evolution’ are not temporal powers but powers with a methodology superior to their contemporaries.

Could you perhaps restate your argument/statement whatever it is in something besides a cryptographic cipher. It's giving me a headache trying to decipher it.

Honus · #**160** 08-26-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

...At least we're dealing with REAL numbers nowadays, unlike the artificial, unsustainable "boom" that the previous administration loves to pat themselves on the back for...

Oh, please. Is there anything that's not Bill Clinton's fault? When it comes to the economy, the President's main job is to not get in the way. Clinton, according to most economists, did that job well.

peragro · #**161** 08-26-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Oh, please. Is there anything that's not Bill Clinton's fault? When it comes to the economy, the President's main job is to not get in the way. Clinton, according to most economists, did that job well.

I'm confused. I thought everything was GW's fault. Regardless, I do remember the bubble that was the economy in the late 90's and began to burst as early as '99 with all the overvalued tech companies and .coms.

A264172 · #**162** 08-26-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Could you perhaps restate your argument/statement whatever it is in something besides a cryptographic cipher...

Our priorities in MEFP (Mid-East Foreign Policy) have always been (since we inherited them from the British)
1) Ensure the continued flow of Persian Gulf oil.
2) Secure right of passage through the Suez Canal.
A democratic and militarily superior Israel next to the Suez, and our support of Egypt are part of #2.). Our supports of Iran, then Iraq, then Saudi Arabia have been part of #1.).

Are we throwing our core principals under the bus by insisting on desired results over a way of 'doing business'? (or can a serf participate in a truly free market?)

When there is no more oil, or when oil can no longer keep pace with the worlds energy requirements what have we established that could hold up in a New World order?

If we do not win this war (and by 'win this war' I mean -the spread of free and democratic societies-) will we be left with a counter-swing of the pendulum?

And lastly... How do you create a free and democratic society?

How’s that?

Botnst · #**163** 08-26-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by A264172

Our priorities in MEFP (Mid-East Foreign Policy) have always been (since we inherited them from the British)
1) Ensure the continued flow of Persian Gulf oil.
2) Secure right of passage through the Suez Canal.
A democratic and militarily superior Israel next to the Suez, and our support of Egypt are part of #2.). Our supports of Iran, then Iraq, then Saudi Arabia have been part of #1.).

Are we throwing our core principals under the bus by insisting on desired results over a way of 'doing business'? (or can a serf participate in a truly free market?)

When there is no more oil, or when oil can no longer keep pace with the worlds energy requirements what have we established that could hold up in a New World order?

If we do not win this war (and by 'win this war' I mean -the spread of free and democratic societies-) will we be left with a counter-swing of the pendulum?

And lastly... How do you create a free and democratic society?

How’s that?

1. How 'bout you write that thar thesis thingy and get back to us on it.

2. Or maybe if you ask them one subject and thread at a time, use small words and short sentences, with no nested, dependent clauses, then people will play with your questions.

3. Call me crazy, but I have a sneaky little suspicion that you're playing a game here, aren't you? Like, maybe you already have some ideas along these lines?

4. Why not show us yours first?

Bot

Honus · #**164** 08-26-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

I'm confused. I thought everything was GW's fault.

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Regardless, I do remember the bubble that was the economy in the late 90's and began to burst as early as '99 with all the overvalued tech companies and .coms.

I'm no economist. I just get tired of people like Sean Hannity obsessing over trivia such as whether the rescession started at the end of Clinton's term or at the beginning of Bush's term.

I stand to be corrected, but I suspect that a poll of objective economists would support the view that Clinton didn't do such a bad job with the econony, despite resistance from the Republicans. For example, the accounting scandals that were going on during the 1990s were caused in part by Newt Gingrich's successful efforts to weaken the laws governing the accounting industry. Gingrich had help from right-wing Democrats (most prominently, Joe Lieberman), but it was a Republican initiative.

The .com thing was good and bad. If you're going to blame Clinton for the bad, at least give him some credit for the good. That's all I'm trying to say.