“A lot of the research is still carried out in the traditional manner using skin from the executed prisoners and aborted fetus," the agent was quoted as saying. The material, he said, was being bought from “biotech" companies based in Heilongjiang Province and was being developed elsewhere in China.
He suggested that the use of skin and other tissues harvested from executed prisoners was not uncommon. “In China it is considered very normal and I was very shocked that Western countries can make such a big fuss about this," he said.

Cosmetics firm using remains of executed Chinese

__________________
89 300E
79 240D
72 Westy
63 Bug sunroof
85 Jeep CJ7
86 Chevy 6.2l diesel PU

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
Marcus Aurelius

From my understanding, in China, the government explicitly states that the body of a criminal condemned to be executed is the property of the state...so I don't really have a problem with this...if a criminal still commits a crime knowing the consequences of his actions will ultimately lead to his organs being harvested or his skin samples being used by biotech companies, then all I can say is don't commit a crime...if some murderer or rapist can have his organs transplanted into some mother so she can watch her children grow up, then I think that is great...if organs are sold at a profit and the money comes back to offset the cost of housing these criminals, then that is great too...if human skin tissue from criminals can be used for biological research to help burn victims...that is great...if people are uncomfortable with products being carried in department stores that use human material or have been developed using human skin samples, then the consumers can ultimately not buy any of their products and the company will go out of business...this is economics...

After whatever body material is "harvested," the body is incinerated and the ashes are given back to the family...this is more than respectful...

__________________
1995 black pearl/black Mercedes-Benz E420 :

Hmmm. Next, frozen dinner from China. Would you buy it?

__________________
95 R129
04 Infiniti G35.5 BS
10 X204

Murder, rape, yes, but people in China have been executed for far lesser crimes such as speaking out against the government. Does that still make it OK?

__________________
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman

I think the "idea" of using the organs of condemned criminals is great...I don't think it is a great idea to imprison and execute people for speaking out against the government...but as I said, if you believe that China has a history of executing people who speak out against the government or you are uncomfortable with using human material in cosmetic products, you can elect not to buy Chinese products to make a statement against it...it is perfectly valid...

However, let's just say one day, one of your organs is failing, and you are lying on a hospital bed with your children and spouse next to you...the doctor walks into the room and tells you we have an organ ready for you from an executed prisoner in China...his crimes are unknown to us...would you accept the donation? What would you do? If I was an old man and my children were all grown up, I think I would most definitely refuse it and just tell the doctor to give the option to the next candidate...however, if my children were young and needed me, I don't think it would be that easy for me...

__________________
1995 black pearl/black Mercedes-Benz E420 :

According to most of those here arguing that we shouldn't be in Iraq, it is none of our business, and we shouldn't care. Let the Chinese brutalize themselves.

Well maybe you haven't had the Chinese govt. execute any members of your family, but there's a reason why I can't trace my family tree past one generation and it's not because of a slow internet connection.

__________________
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman

You missed my point--I am against their brutal bull**** and hope our government would boycott their products so referenced. A main argument being used by the pull-out of Iraq crowd is that it is none of our business to police the world and so let them kill each other. This is not my position, and I am sorry for your family's loss.

Yes yes, sorry. It's amazing what one reads when confronted with a very personal issue. I only saw "Let the Chinese brutalize themselves." I started to reread your post and realized immediately what a doofus I've been. Thanks for understanding.

__________________
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman

Soylent Green anyone?

__________________
1983 300-D turbo
1985 300-D turbo
1959 Harley Panhead chopper
1929 Ford coupe restored
I hang out with Boneheaddoctor at Schuman Automotive OBK#5
All liberals are mattoids but not all mattoids are liberal.

If I believe that the organs were harvested from an uinwilling donor, then no, I would not wish to benefit from another fellow human being's oppression.

So, using your rationalization, the fact that so many Jews who were "criminals" in Germany and had their body parts used for such things as medical research (or skin for lampshades) would be okay.

Any government can declare anyone a criminal if they change the definition to suit their purpose.

This makes me sick.

__________________

Current:
2014 VW Tiguan SEL 4Motion 43,000 miles.

2016 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport (wife's).

Past:
2006 Jetta TDI 135,970 miles. Sold Nov. '13.
1995 E-320 Special Edition. 220,200 miles. Sold Sept. '07.
1987 190-E 16 valve. 153,000 miles. Sold Feb. '06.
1980 300-D 225,000 miles. Donated to the National Kidney Foundation.
1980 240-D manual, 297,500 miles. Totaled by inattentive driver.

The topic and my reply pertains to whether or not the idea of using the organs and the body materials of condemned criminals is rational...your problem is with the judicial system of another country and what they define as a "crime"...whether it be speaking out against the government or being Jewish...I thought the key to this topic was to examine how other countries deal with their condemned criminals...

__________________
1995 black pearl/black Mercedes-Benz E420 :

I have no problems with killing criminals, heck if I was in charge half of the child predators in jail would be shot, well not to mention most of the rest of the prison pop.

I see nothing wrong in using their remians to further research. Look at it as them repaying their wrongs to society.

__________________
1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

Seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between advocating the boycott (someone mentioned that idea) of certain products verses the invasion of a country. China is an independent nation (just as Iraq was) and we have no authority to march in and change their internal policies.

We as a society may care what other nations / governments do and we may act on those "feelings" in terms of boycotts, protests and the like. However, when all is said and done, it is their country and we have no legal right to intervene.

Having said that, there are times when a nation may have a moral obligation (that is a perception that is very subjective) to intervene in a nations internal affairs. My opinion is that intervention is justified in cases of mass genocide and the like. The actions taken must be measured against the likely hood of success.

__________________
Sent from an agnostic abacus

2014 C250 21,XXX my new DD ** 2013 GLK 350 18,000 Wife's new DD**

- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.