Could you be a little more vague, please...

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I commented on this topic in this thread: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=112220&highlight=drugs

You started this thread using derogatory labels. Even when you are trolling you should at least pretend that you want to start an intelligent conversation.

Why not address the *subject* of the thread rather than unloading on the originator? Just a thought.

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Which do you find deragatory; "luddite" or "scare phrase" or "big pharma"? Granted, big pharma is a deragatory term but it is not mine.

If you'll notice (which I only think fair since you asked me to go research a thread well over a year old) I've been discussing things on several threads - hardly trolling.

Some of these recent threads have involved discussions of thimeresol in vaccines, the lack of evidence behind anthropogenic global warming and the scarcity of flu vaccine in this country for fear of lawsuits among other subjects.

The family of the gentleman in the lawsuit of which the story I posted is concerned claims that Vioxx caused his heart attack. He used Vioxx for one month, was a former heavy smoker and had diabetes. The author questioned the scientific veracity of this courts decision. One of the resident lawyers on this forum pointed out that there is no way a bogus decision could have been reached in this case because nobody filed a section this or that. Not to mention that lawyers who specialize in class action lawsuits against "big pharma" are people too and are just trying to do the right thing - hence the advertisment that I posted.

Personally I think that some type of limit on litigation is needed. At the very least, limit the attorneys to 10% of the total amount awarded. Without the incentive for cash the wholesome attorneys who pursue cases like this may be a little less interested in "justice" for thier clients.

If you are longing for intelligent conversation then by all means post your thoughts on the topic. Or, feel free to insult me again if you're not.

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Keep this up and you'll qualify as a cyber-stalker. If my posts disturb you, put me on your ignore list.

This thread addresses overlapping abuses. Abuse of the system and of the public trust by profiteering drug companies and abuse of the tort system by profiteering attorneys. As well as your abuse of language in labeling.

"Expert witnesses", another one. "Rigorous FDA approval process", another one.

Drugs don't make people healthy and healthy people don't take drugs. There are beneficial drugs but the abuses far outweigh the benefits.

They voluntarily pulled thier product, how is that abuse?


Sorry it wasn't another thread slamming the evil pharmaceuticals. I made my intentions clear at the beginning.

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Spock? Is that you hiding in there?

B

I never said that voluntarily pulling their product was abuse. But considering that they were facing potential lawsuits and allegedly killing people I can see a possible stretch of the definition to say it was voluntary.

Hmmm. They weren't directed to take the product off the shelf, they voluntarily did so. In fact they are facing actual lawsuits, hence the original post of this thread. Other cox-2 inhibitors present the same issues as Vioxx when taken at high dosage. What's your theory for Celebrex being still available? The inherent evil of "big pharma"?

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I absolutely agree there should be a limit on judgements (British spelling). To think you have a right to sue for hundreds of $millions when the miracle cure medication either caused the occasional bad result or didn't undo years of bad habits is a furthering of the illogic in thinking that the mind of man can do any damn thing under the sun.

If it can be shown that one arm of Big Pharma (shorthand more than insult) knew that a certain product had big problems but marketed it anyhow because the profits would be greater than the lawsuit costs, maybe a little higher awards would be in order.

Peragro, your remarks at the outset were not too insulting but you're lumping all people who urge a little restraint at the full on, enthusiastic embrace of any and every new development by man into the category of luddite is worse than insulting: it's limiting.

Many pharma advances are golden. In years past, the best cure for syphillis, AFAIK, was a mercury based drug that you had to take for years and hope it worked. In the movie, "The Green Mile," the Tom Hanks character began the movie with a persistant urinary tract infection that had him on his knees just to take a piss. I've had that, more than once, owing to folly , and anti-biotics cleared it right up.

Other aspects of embracing all things modern are not so ideal. Recent studies indicate that part of the reason for the dramatic increase in asthma may lie in today's children growing up in overly clean environments. Kids used to play in mud and the like, and wander in the woods in search of play. Kids today are kept in a more antiseptic environment and their immune systems don't get challenged in the formative years as happened more before. Not saying this is ironclad, but there could be an element of truth to it.

When I say "challenged," I'm talking about bacteria and the like, not toxic chemicals in the water, air, and garments (flame retardant chemicals).

The mind of man is capable of all sorts of good stuff. Another thing our minds are capable of is a stubborness in letting go of the unshakable belief that we can improve on nature, each and every time.

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It seems that the American public is rapidly forsaking common sense on the one had while racing to embrace this out-of-control litigation on the other. It is one more symptom of growing up in an over-indulged, pampered, and soft society. If we really want to be protected from everything bad, we will have to give up the freedom to choose for ourselves. Who wants to trust the government or anyone else to make the big decisions in life for us? Not me.

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