What Oil are you speaking about? Oil would have been a great reason to invade, definitely a needed national security objective worthy of such a devious aggressive act. But we certainly we haven't seen a drop for our efforts, yet.

The oil Americans imported from Irag, and still do from Saudia Arabia. I recall reading somewhere, that your EPA said " if all Americans driving small trucks, SUV's etc, had bought diesel engines, America would not need to imort raw oil from the Saudis ( paraphrased ).

America, what are the latest Stats.? (again, paraphrased,) America, so-cdalled, has X % of the worlds population, but uses 99% of its resources - something like that.

When are you going to learn that natural resources, such as oil are not renewable? But it seems that you can afford to spend unknown billons trillions of dollars exploring outer space. In the name of what? Defense, the Astromoters, the Defense industry?

Please explain to me and others, won't you, whilst the rest of the world pay dearly for your wasteful transgressions. THINK ABOUT IT OVER WHATEVER COFFEE YOU PREFER - and that point is the cause supreme of the diminishing rain forests of South America - that Boston tea party has cost us all dearly :eek: :eek: :eek: .

You obviously have absolutely NO idea of what you're saying. Your comments are clearly based on preconceived ideas. The fact that the US/Canada has been responsible for the majority of all modern technical inventions and medical advancement, and then being gracious enough to teach that knowledge to anyone (from any country) willing to learn, obviously means nothing to you.
What country are you from originally? It's nice to be able to stand on the side where the green grass grows and bite the very hand that feeds you. If you were less emotional about your response you would see that it's the rest of the world's governments (i.e, the non-Western world) that limit their citizens growth by exploiting their resources and labour force for their own advantage. Remind me please, why did you move to Canada? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Padraig]Well, the analogy is clear to me :Canada , since I've here since 1954, and a citizen to-booth, is a suck!.QUOTE]

BTW, this is a perfect example of Canada's failure to create a sense of nationalism... someone that arrived in Canada more than 50 years ago (according to a previous post), yet is so immersed in his own culture that he can't successfully write a sentence in the english language... no offense.

Not sure what your world is like but here is what I hav been saying. Lets put a hypothetical situation. If I found an oil source in Texas and it is enough to supply USA for 100 years, can we say that if the world runs out of oil it is still ok for us? Remember, if the world runs out of oil, we will eventually tank too. Stock market crashes in europe and we will feel it too. So, to your theory of if we got rid of every SUV and truck it would solve the problems, keep dreaming.

I think that is a lousy comparison. Firstly, I don't believe the 99% number. However, that would be comparing apples with oranges, won't it? If you have an ag based country, they probably won't "consume" the resources directly. Indirectly yes. Does that take it into account?

Yes, lets just stay in our little corner of the solar system. :rolleyes: Never heard of spinoffs?

Yep, if we nuked the USA, the rest of the world would be hunky dory again. Sure, pass the pipe. Europe, Asia and all that have no part in the problem. Of course not. Why don't we eliminate India and China and that will free up a bunch of resources too? :rolleyes:

Hahaha.... :D

Now, you don't really want him to let facts get in the way of a perfectly good hissy-fit, do you?... ;)

Mike

"It's all about the oil." :rolleyes: That's the oldest, lamest mantra that has been posted here in a while, and I thought everyone had finally gotten over it.... but just for fun, let's go with it....

Fine.

Oil + U.S. = bad.

Then perhaps you should teach by example.

Stop driving your Mercedes and start walking.

Let us know how that works out for you.

Mike

I think you got it wrong. US = Bad because (insert any reason or none)

Mike,

I'd politely like to refute that statement - Canada indeed has a strong sense of nationalism. Where you find it is in the smaller towns and cities across the country. In the Canadian families that have been here for generations.

It's a quiet pride - we don't flaunt it, we're sometimes maybe a bit too lax about it, but it's there and it is strong.

In the larger cities - Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, even Ottawa - where you have a large number of new immigrants of all races arriving in a short time span, you are bound to get a disconnect and some clustering of ethnic types. It creates an isolationist image but the reality is that most are quite happy to be here. There are the bad apples - the gangs, the corruption, but that's par for the course for any large international city.

What if it was all about the oil. He's an oil man with a tradition in oil, surrounded by good old oil men. Does anyone think these guy's are hurting? Best thing that could ever have happened for them. Ok, I know that's BS, but they couldn't have planned it better.

Jorg

I think the truth lies somewhere in between, and I think it is an unfortunate truth. Yes, Canadian nationalism is alive and well in much of small-town Canada. However, our population is shifting dramatically towards the urban areas, which (as you pointed out) is where immigrants largely settle due to the ability to receive support from their communities. This is a shift that will continue to happen in the coming decades as Canada's population growth comes more from immigration than birth.

One of the things I love about Canada is the way that I can experience so many different cultures (I live in Toronto). However, I am against the stated government policy of Multiculturalism. I believe that people should be free to support and carry on their cultural traditions at their own time and effort, but should not expect that the government will adapt to those needs in the way it interacts with the public. This I truly believe is Trudeau's lasting harm to Canada. He invented Multiculturalism as a way to take wind out of the sails of Quebec nationalism. He hoped to dilute it by elevating the rights of all cultures, and I think this has ultimately harmed a sense of Canadian nationalism. We have largely become a nation of regions, cultures and special interest groups in the last 30 years, and that is something that is sad for me.

The high-lighted sentence above is NOT my theory - the EPA didn't suggest getting rid of SUV's, etc., they suggested that if the engines within them were Diesel types, then the oil imported from Saudi Arabia would not be needed. Nor do I think the USA ought to be 'nuked' - but conservation is in our hands through other means. Divert some of the wasteful Space budget to finding environmentally friendly solutions for the diminishing world supply of oil.

You've got it right! That highlighted paragraph elaborates on what I wrote previously about the Arse Hole, Pierre Trudeau and his open door policies towards the immigrants and refugees (the kind we don't, nor didn't need here) of the world, not to emphasise the monetary deficit he left us by wasting our tax dollars on Bi-lingualism and Bi-culturalism, and making magnificent grants to his buddies in the Caribbean and elsewhere.

From last night's "Daily Show""

Kudos Canada . . . for becoming worthy of being a terrorist target, we didn' t think you had it in you!

Of course, for Americans that means we not only have to build a wall to keep Mexicans out, we have to build another border wall . . .

I agree with you on Trudeau, for sure. But that's where I draw the line. Canada is, has been, and will continue to be a nation of immigrants. You're one. My paternal grandfather was one. My wife's parents are immigrants as well. And I guarantee you that each wave of immigrants looked at the next wave that followed as the flotsam and jetsam of the world. I think that's a short-sighted view, and was not the point I was making. While I would like to see tightening of our immigration policies (especially around the removal of those who commit crimes as landed immigrants or refugees), I am not against immigration. I am against government-sponsored multiculturalism and I am against the expectation that society at large should adapt to reflect the increased cultural diversity. If immigrants wish to keep their traditions alive on their own, I welcome the added diversity that brings to our country. Just don't expect my tax dollars to enable it.

Bilingualism and "bi-culturalism", as you put it, were around long before Trudeau. This nation has two founding cultures, and the relationship between those cultures has been the source of much political tension. I honestly don't expect you to understand that, and I don't say that facetiously. I've read my fair share of Irish history and I've visited both the Republic and the North. None of it qualifies me to fully understand it. Canada's Anglo/Franco troubles go back to 1759, if not further back than that.

We can agree that Trudeau was bad for Canada. But beyond that, you're on your own. I find most of what you wrote to be fairly intolerant and for that reason, decidedly un-Canadian.

Why not divert some of the wasteful programs money to find environmentally friendly solutions for the deminishing (assuming that we know that it is deminishing and when) world supply of oil? Why can't other countries also chip in?

Gloria Jeans White Chocolate Cookie Almond Chiller is great. After that, I'd go to Starbucks.

Let's examine your above statement in highlight type:

If your opinion be so, then why are mainly US manufacturers,whop control World Trade making consumer goods in Mexico, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, India, et. al. who is corporate America exploiting? Hint: cheap third worlds labour. Yes, No? Why does Walmart exist as the world's largest retail corporation?

Modern technical inventions [and discoveries] :

England developed air flight 50 years before the Wright brothers. Where was penicillin discovered, etc., etc. Where was steam power perfected? Yeh! same place.

Where was the Diesel engine developed : Germany.

Who made the first Jet engine - Germany! Who developed yor aerospace rockets - Germans.

Who made the first telephone? Alexander Bell - a Canadian.

Do you want me to go on, and on?

[QUOTE=Mike552]
Saying "no offense" does not and never will be 'no offense' Don't you recognise a slip of the fingers that causes 'typos'?

As our Anglo-Irishman, George Bernard Shaw, said: " We have a lot in common with Americans, except for the language!"

I'd like to think that on some level some of the US efforts are what kept that 6,000 pound, yes six thousand pounds, ANFO device on the other side of the border. Big KUDOS to my bros in the bright red tunics, the did a damn good job ferreting out this folks through a little bit of mining.

I know the RCMP had been working them for a while and actually delivered the base material immediately prior to the arrests. I know it has been stated earlier, but the OKC bomb was piddlin small in comparison at a measly 2,000 pounds yet it devastated the OKC Federal building. I imagine a single ANFO made from all the material could literally level multiple city blocks.

I imagine a well placed device of that size could take down the CN Tower and level the CSIS (Canada's CIA - so to speak) HQ. Could be they planned several smaller devices...that I don't know. I'm not sure what to think about the latest reports they planned to storm the Parliment Building and behead the PM before blowing it up.

For those who don't know, the CN Tower is comparable to Seattle's Needle, or maybe the Stratosphere hotel in Vegas. It is a big tourist attraction in downtown Toronto and a well known landmark.

I must say I was also very surprised that one of the suspects is from Trinidad and Tobaggo. I know they have a Muslim population there but didn't believe there were many extremists. I have had dealings with a lot of Trinidadians the last couple months. Makes one wonder.

Lets just say, it happened, the RCMP did a damn good job catching this before any further action on the suspects parts, and they saved Canada from their version of 9-11.

No is not the time to rest on one's laurels.

Do you believe that every Canadian citizen must hold the same view of world affairs as you do?

Intolerance "unwillingness to endure a differing opinion" first attested 1765.


Intolerant: Yes! Yu are on the money. I'm am intolerant of religious and political points of view that promote aggression: as with the USA and the invasion of Irag - despite world opinion at the U.N., and now
George W., and his patsy's are considering Iran as their next target; and also Radical Islamic teachings.

I do not beleive for one moment, that ordinary Americans are bigots - it's the foreign policy of their governmen - now and in the past - that I will always disagree with.

Just show us all your colours on those points?

Nice photo - no doubt issued by the US Defence Dept. BUT you omitted the national colours of the other coalition troops, principally the Union Jack and the British Tommies.

Hmmmm, if he included the other flags, say the Union Jack or the flag of Poland, India and all of the other countries that helped, wouldn't that lend credence to this not being a "coalition of the coerced" and "a unilateral war of aggression", i.e. "Bush's war"?

Ahhhh, pride in ownership.

Of course it would !, AND That's what it was [and still is].
What else would a rational, intelligent person, who thinks before they, open their 'Gob' [Gaelic for mouth] call it?

*** Ignorance Runs Amock Amoung the PC... ***
 

For all you fair-haired liberals, east, west, north and south of any border...

On 9-11, 2001, the US got punched in the eye by 19 idiots that are now maggot-meat history and (I truly believe) their souls are not being "satisfied" by 72 virgins, but are waiting for the "final trumpet" to call them to their just desserts-a fire-and-brimstone hell for all eternity.

Even though our (US) government had intelligence on these clowns and due to typical Government ineptitude, they somehow managed to pull it off, the fact remains that the US, Canada, Britain and the rest of the CIVILIZED world is striking back at the b*****ds. Long may we rain death and dismemberment on the pig-****ers (PFs)!

Now, on to the P***ys that claim we need to be a kinder and gentler nation w/a feau-hammer.

First off, these PC-Pu**ys (PCPs) can't stand hearing, reading or seeing the truth w/their own ears and eyes. If their own mother was being gang-raped by a bunch of these PFs, they would run down the street and scream that the police need to do something, "But, don't hurt the bad guys...they're mis-understood-It's really someone else's fault they are acting like they are..."

I'd puke but what's left now is only bile. I'm tired of the PCPs screaming that "Bush started the war." or "We had it coming." That's PCP for "I'm nothing more than a big chickens**t and I don't have a bone in my body to stand up for what's right."

You will never be able to pin a PCP down on anything that requires a solid foundation of truth, understanding and last, but not least, morality. The PC will say that everyone is entitled to "do their own thing" (Hippy-speak for, "I'm too damn lazy to work. Where's the free meal coming from today?") but yet they are forgetting the most important part of their own convoluted logic...Their rights should end where their neighbor's nose begins.

The PCPs are great for saying how we should all drive punny little Volks-mobiles with a 150-mile power radius, but their own PC-spokespeople continue to drive gas-guzzeling, or diesel-powered, SUVs.

The PCPs scream how the spotted-owl is practically wiped out, yet the PCs continue to build their dream-homes high on hill-sides overlooking the little people, from timber harvested from some other location.

The PCP professors scream how the government is corrupted by big business and special interests, but somehow those very same PCP professors still manage to take home a paycheck that's 3-5 times the level of the average blue-collar worker and their jobs are government-protected and paid for.

The PCPs scream how unfair the labor practices of private industries are subjecting the common-man to low wages and minimal insurance (if any at all) but they enforce hiring practices (at government expense) that keep highly-qualified people from working at their own place of employment.

The only reason a liberal is still able to be a liberal is because it's still illegal to shoot them. And that's because a conservative (Despite what he REALLY wants to do...) will still follow the law.

That's why conservatives RESPECT the immigration laws.

That's why conservatives cringe every time a "compassionate judge" lets a criminal loose because an officer didn't read the perp his rights.

And, if you're ever at a meeting where a conservative (God forbid!) has a chance to speak out on an issue, you can be guaranteed that the "PCP" group will feel it's their right to shout him down. But be aware of this fact. Unless the conservative has been verbally (and sometimes physically) attacked, the conservative will ALWAYS respect the PCPs right to voice his oppinion, whether the conservative agrees with it or not.

The difference, really, between a Democrat (PCP) and a Republican is this:

The Democrat only seeks to "fix" a problem for the moment, oblivious to the consequences of his actions and the effect it will have on everyone else later.

The Republican will thoughtfully think out the consequences of any action taken and should (but not always) take the least disruptive and appropriate action possible. The outcome will never be what everyone wants, but the circumstances, at that time, will be the best dictator of what action needs to be taken, for the betterment of all.

BURP!

Not sure where you're going with this my Gaelic Friend, but if you haven't noticed there are a lot of folks in the US who are saying that both Iraq and Afghanistan are unilateral actions with nominal coalition support. Somehow this is different than Bosnia or Kosovo where these same folks laud the presence of "coalition forces". It's a strange world.

As far as politicians go, with reference to mgburg, they are human. That means they care for their own skin. Democrats do it and so do Republicans. They care about the next election and maybe the one after that if they are not ready to retire. Reps are NOT always right nor are Dems always wrong. They keep each other in check which is the best thing we can hope for. If either party runs the show, expect chaos.

Yes, If they wish to 'split hairs' and use the word 'nominal', or coalition of the very few; otherwise 'unilateral' action is the key word in the present invasion of Iraq.

Previously, George's Daddy did it in 'Desert Storm' with some, or perhaps the only, justification:to protect oil supplies; and 'Goddam' Saddam wh seemed to have used unprovoked unilateral force to attack Kuwait deserved a thrashing

Your comparison of the latest unprovoked Iraq action to world intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo hardly rates, as the action then was to seemingly stop the massacre of a large minority ethnic population.

My reading of the Irag invasion and occupation is that many, many Americans - including those who applauded the initial action - want it to stop - NOW! and bring your boys and girls home without further harm.

No doubt in my mind that George W., would love to find an honourable way out of an unhonourable situation, but he's caught in the web of his own making.