Israel kills a couple Palestinian kids "by accident" -- Palestinians kidnap one person (not dead) --

And this is what Israel does:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060627mideast,1,4227928.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Yet we went to Kuwait when Iraq did what they did.

I would appreciate if a few of the Israel supporters here could explain that to me. Honestly, I think it would be like you burning me house down if I stole your newspaper of the lawn.

TIA!

Duh! The Iraqi's don't have a bunch of Sunnis living in America influencing politics and donating money to candidates.

Any other questions?

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or maybe this. Palestinians are launching rocket attacks from the Gaza coastline. Israel shells coastline. One shell gets away and kills civilians.

Stop here, now why are Palestinians launching attacks from so close to civilian areas? Sorry, but it's Hamas who choose the location of the fight.

In response to civilian deaths, terrorist tunnel into Israel, KILL TWO soldiers, and kidnap a third. They also claim to have kidnapped two others, one soldier and one civilian.

Terrorist demand that 500 prisoners be released or they will kill the kidnapped soldier. Israel says piss off and invades to retrieve their soldier.

What would you have Israel do? Negotiate? Release 500 prisoners? Write one of their own off?

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You cannot let terrorists have any victory. Period. These scumbags use their own civilian areas as launching points for rockets, and expect to not be shelled because they hide among civilians. Thats bull****, and I really don't feel bad for the "civilians" that were accidentally killed. They shouldn't harbor terrorists in their towns. IMO, if "civilians" are allowing terrorists to operate in their neighborhoods, they are no better than the terrorists who perpetrate these acts. All these fanatics speak of honor and fighting for Allah, yet they use their own people to shield them from those they attack. If they want to be honorable, quit being cowards and shooting rockets at civilians and sleeping troops, and come out and fight the Israeli army face to face. Oh wait, the few times they did this (Six Day and Yom Kippur War) they were soundly defeated despite having vastly superior numbers of soldiers and equipment. I am completely tired of seeing terrorists kill civilians and kidnap and dismember POW's, while we worry about "Civilian Casualties" I suppose we need to be better than our enemies, but the Israeli response is completely warranted IMO. Where's General Sherman when we need him?

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Terrorism is a tactic. The Palestinians have used it for decades because as you point out, they are hopelessly overmatched in a 'fair' fight. At the same time they are unwilling to stop fighting, because they believe their situation is unfair in and of itself.

Part of the goal of these Palestinian fighters is to create civillian casualties. In PR terms it has worked for them! Look at the attitude people around the world have toward Israel. A lot of this stems from the way Israel has responded to previous attacks on their own civilians. What you see as terrorism, many people (Europeans and Arabs especially) see as the inevitable result of a marginalized population growing up in a hopeless environment. Part of the reason people are willing to blow themselves up is because they see no hope in their future.

As for civilians letting terrorists operate in their neighborhoods, you, too might be persuaded to let that happen if someone was waving a Kalishnikov in your face.

I think the Israeli/Palestinian situation is extremely complex. There are no easy solutions and there's plenty of blood on all hands involved.

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[QUOTE=GottaDiesel]Israel kills a couple Palestinian kids "by accident" -- Palestinians kidnap one person (not dead) --

And this is what Israel does:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060627mideast,1,4227928.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Yet we went to Kuwait when Iraq did what they did.

I thought it was because of the oil.

We went to spread democracy and good cheer. Everybody knows that. Now stop being so cynical.

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A good point. I concur, to a degree...

But if you already KNEW (from experience) that I would over-react in such a way, then perhaps you would be wise to NOT provoke me by stealing my newspaper in the first place. Just a thought....

Mike

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Good point. Don't taunt the bully.

I don't know what to say at this point. I just think the whole thing is stupid and wish we (US) would just keep the hell away from the region and concentrate on educating and enriching our OWN people. That is really the only reason I get so p'ed off about it. Oh well.

You have two neighboring families, one is civil, polite, law abiding but not warm. Your other neighbor is a dysfunctional family that can't even keep its own house in repair and worse, throws rocks through your windows.

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I give up, which is which? I assume the Jews are the ones with the rocks (weapons) and the Palestinians are the ones that are law abiding -- they don't destroys homes and steal land...

Just to clear it up.

Stealing newspapers? Hamas/Palistinians are firing rockets at towns, blowing people up, killing and kidnapping. This isn't fk'ing stealing newspapers.

Or put it another way. You, my neighbor, for whatever reason, kidnaps my child. Do you really think I'm not going to burn down your house to get my kid back?

Who started this episode?

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