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Old 07-19-2006, 12:54 PM
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Tom brought up a new point - persistance. It certainly won't hurt, but in the end, a decison has been made and if it was biased for any reason, it matters not.

I personally feel it's a waste of time to "ask why". You'll only receive a "tap dance" response and more than likely anger whoever you approach.

There are others schools. Time to move on to the next door.
You may well be right. It might be satisfying to make a few inquiries, just to make it known that if favoritism was at play it was not unnoticed. But that may be a costly move!

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Old 07-19-2006, 12:55 PM
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If I demanded an explanation of their hiring rationale, I ought to receive it (as a taxpayer).
They would tell you that personnel decisions are confidential and cannot be released. Or, would give you a bland answer to make you go away. Never trust that government or our corrupt politicians will ever "do the right thing".

Hope she locates suitable employment soon.
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Old 07-19-2006, 12:56 PM
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They would tell you that personnel decisions are confidential and cannot be released. Or, would give you a bland answer to make you go away. Never trust that government or our corrupt politicians will ever "do the right thing".

Hope she locates suitable employment soon.
Thanks, Mr. President! I am sure she will.
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Old 07-19-2006, 03:44 PM
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And sometimes, it's just a matter of fit. (politically correct way of saying we don't want you to smell of cigarettes if you're gonna work in our health food store).

Being passed over for a job is like being screwed by an unfair referee. I've been done even worse. New management comes in, brings their own chef and hands me my walking papers the first day there.

So we move on, it's not the end of the world. Sulk a bit, take heart in knowing that you're better than the person who took your job. You'll do better, she will.
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Old 07-19-2006, 03:51 PM
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Being passed over for a job is like being screwed by an unfair referee. I've been done even worse. New management comes in, brings their own chef and hands me my walking papers the first day there.
Ouch. That had to chap your ass, huh? Sorry to hear it, but your final analysis is dead-on: life goes on and just gets better. I'm sure that'll be the case here, too. I just wish I could be around when karma bites the hiring committe's butt (if it's a case of favoritism or nepotism).
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I was let go because the new CIO didn't like IBM, and thats the stuff that I was working on. My 14 years on the job and glowing reviews meant nothing. For the longest time I wanted to do something like throw a dead fish in his office heater vent. But in reality, its a small world out there, and you never know when you might cross paths with these people again. I'm sure the teaching profession is the same way. Best not to burn bridges.
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Old 07-19-2006, 04:20 PM
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I was let go because the new CIO didn't like IBM, and thats the stuff that I was working on. My 14 years on the job and glowing reviews meant nothing. For the longest time I wanted to do something like throw a dead fish in his office heater vent. But in reality, its a small world out there, and you never know when you might cross paths with these people again. I'm sure the teaching profession is the same way. Best not to burn bridges.
Sorry to hear that. That's a real kick-in-the-gut. You and Kuan both got axed from existing jobs; even worse than not getting hired.

So let me ask... you don't think that making inquiries (diplomatic ones, I don't think my fiance is capable of getting "mad" at someone) is a good idea in this case? I certainly would advise against "burning bridges" in the common sense of the phrase ("demanding" answers, etc...), but initially saw no real harm in asking what qualities she was seen as lacking in the hiring process.
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Sorry to hear that. That's a real kick-in-the-gut. You and Kuan both got axed from existing jobs; even worse than not getting hired.

So let me ask... you don't think that making inquiries (diplomatic ones, I don't think my fiance is capable of getting "mad" at someone) is a good idea in this case? I certainly would advise against "burning bridges" in the common sense of the phrase ("demanding" answers, etc...), but initially saw no real harm in asking what qualities she was seen as lacking in the hiring process.
Nothing to be sorry for. That job was an hour from home. I now have a job with better pay and an 8 minute commute!

In your case, if you strongly suspect that it was unfair bias of some kind, asking any kind of questions will throw them into CYA reaction mode. You will not get an honest answer. Otherwise it mght be alright to ask a "just out of curiousity" question. It all depends on how approachable they are.
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imho, the best thing to do is move on.

learn from it if possible.

your girlfriend might reasonably ask a question but not you.

dont expect her to receive a substantive answer though.

life is not always fair. a lawsuit for discrimination would need some pretty stiff evidence.

offer sympathy.

my wife, when she tells me of the latest difficulties at work, just gets pissed off at me when i try to problem solve it. she just wants me to listen and say i am sorry it happened.

being a problem solver by personality, it is difficult, but i have learned to do it most of the time.

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A guy is looking for a new secretary and narrowed it to 3 women. All had the same qualifications so to break the tie he gave them each a 1 question test to judge the intangibles. The question was: if you got a paycheck that was 1000 times the amount it should have been, what would you do?

Candidate A: "turn the money back in, of course"

Candidate B: "keep it, it wasn't my fault a mistake was made"

Candidate C: "invest the money, knowing the error will eventually be discovered. At that time give back the principle and keep any gains I earned"

Which one got the job?







Answer: the one with the big tits.
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In my previous job I worked for a company with a little over 500 employees, and was one of five Directors of our operating divisions. Every new hire in management had to be interviewed by all five Directors, so I was part of the hiring process of a lot of people during my time there.

And what struck me over and over again was how relatively arbitrary the hiring decision is. So many very qualified people were passed over, and it was usually hard to put your finger on it as to why they weren't hired.

We sometimes hired less qualified people over those with better qualifications, i.e. more education, better school, more experience, etc.

Many times it just came down to who we felt more comfortable with, who we felt would fit into the corporate culture better, and maybe those who just looked like they would fit in, for lack of a better word.

What little wisdom I've taken with me since I've changed jobs six years ago is that it's just a combination of fate, luck, and timing. Nothing else.
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Old 07-21-2006, 07:14 AM
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Unfortunately that's what can obtain when you work for someone else,except the Federal Government.

If you work for them and you screw up they will simply put you in a less"strenuous"position,no loss of salary and benefits,it seems whenever someone's ass is on the line they always file an EEO suit and the union always backs them up.THAT'S security
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:01 AM
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A guy is looking for a new secretary and narrowed it to 3 women. All had the same qualifications so to break the tie he gave them each a 1 question test to judge the intangibles. The question was: if you got a paycheck that was 1000 times the amount it should have been, what would you do?

Candidate A: "turn the money back in, of course"

Candidate B: "keep it, it wasn't my fault a mistake was made"

Candidate C: "invest the money, knowing the error will eventually be discovered. At that time give back the principle and keep any gains I earned"

Which one got the job?








Answer: the one with the big tits.

Hey, what're you saying about my fiance?
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:04 AM
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Unfortunately that's what can obtain when you work for someone else,except the Federal Government.

If you work for them and you screw up they will simply put you in a less"strenuous"position,no loss of salary and benefits,it seems whenever someone's ass is on the line they always file an EEO suit and the union always backs them up.THAT'S security
State government, too. I work at an IL university... what my co-workers get away with is un-friggin'-real. The supervisors are afraid to take on the union, which will represent anyone and everyone, regardless of the stupidity or severity of their offence. Amazing.

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