The bottom of this post has a troubling piece from http://thinkprogress.org/. These GrassTopsUSA people sound a little crazy, but they also sound like some popular right-wingers on TV and radio (Rush Limbaugh and William Krystal come to mind). These people are just too eager for the Isreal situation to turn into a full-fledged war of good versus evil.

Here's the article:

Right-Wing ‘Guide to World War III’: ‘Kill ‘Em All, Let Allah Sort ‘Em Out’
The conservative advocacy group GrasstopsUSA sent out a mass email yesterday featuring a column described as “a spectator’s guide to World War III — the Lebanese Front.” The title: “Kill ‘Em All. Let Allah Sort ‘Em Out.” Some low-lights:

A disproportionate response is the best kind. … What would a proportionate Israeli response be? Snatching two Hezbollah fighters, torturing them to death, cutting off their genitals and stuffing them in their mouths?

Lebanon used to be a nice little country, before the Sons of Allah got their blood-smeared hands on it. Believe it or not, Beirut was once…the most advanced and prosperous country in the Arab world — because a majority of Lebanese were Christians.

Israel needs to step-up its air strikes and send in the troops (can you say “massive deployment, baby?”) to do the job only ground forces can do. … To resurrect and reconfigure one of my favorite Vietnam-era slogans — Kill ‘em all. Let Allah sort ‘em out.

GrasstopsUSA is no fringe group. Its executive director, Christopher Carmouche, sat on the exclusive host committee for last year’s high-profile “tribute” to then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) (along with luminaries like Grover Norquist), and was a member of the National Coalition to End Judicial Filibusters, the conservative umbrella group run by Manuel Miranda, former staffer to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN).

People seem blissfully ignorant to the consequences of another world war. Or bloodthirsty. Rah.

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I can sometimes almost understand the attitude.

Some people are sick to death of Arab/radical Islamists forcing their agenda on everyone by initiating terrorism on a daily basis and so, they think the only good muslim terrorist is a dead one.

I'm not defending it of course but the latest episodes in Gaza and Lebanon arose when Muslim terrorists kidnapped Israeli soldiers, those provocations did NOT originate in Israel.

However it is horrifying to see the innocent Lebanese suffering as their country is destroyed.

Every Israeli bomb spawns more radical Islam terrorists, and every act of terror against Israel supports the Jewish belief that people want to kill them all or drive them into the sea

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The more things change, the more they stay the same. I guess the urge to wipe out, annihilate, utterly lay waste to people you don't like is an old one.

When it was two small tribes, a la Nat. American style, it was nasty and brutish but at least half the world wasn't a smoldering, poisoned ruin.

All out war against Islamic forces would be serious stuff -- with China craving their energy and Russia enjoying their trade with the region. Not sure how happy Japan would be with their gas prices doubling or tripling.

These grasstoppers have either been smoking too much of their namesake or not enough. Whack jobs.

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Lets not forget they MURDERED 3 soldiers during the kidnapping. They have also launched 1400 missiles at CIVILIAN targets. Why should you NOT annihilate the pricks? Israel has been kept in check too long and the problem has not been solved. if they crush the little pukes then its over.

Ralph Peters wrote a good article about how the US should not take any prisoners. They should kill anyone who takes up arms against us, they hide among civilians and therefore should not benefit from the Geneva convention (which by the way is often misuoted on content). This would also solve the Gitmo problem, these grunts have little intellligence value so sending them off to meet their maker keeps us from having to feed and house them.

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They'd never be able to annihilate all the pricks. There's just too many of them. They'll trickle back in. The Hydra Headed Beast. It's not just a myth.

I agree the anti-Israeli Arabs are way more unreasonable about living and let live than the Israelis. I don't think they're going to GAS what anyone else thinks for the next several centuries. In their memory, Zionists came in and killed civilians first. And they did. You can say "ancient history" all you want. Peace involves the other side not wanting to kill you and until that happens, it ain't over.

And you can't even begin to kill the pricks w/o killing non-combatants 10 to 1, 50 to 1, who knows. Of course they shouldn't hide among civilians but get used to it -- any conflict where one side has vastly superior air power is going to have that going on. What, they should line up Rev. war era style, in lines and await the Israeli army in the desert?!? Who's going to do that? Our own founding fathers didn't, and the Brits had no air superiority, , just overwhelming advantage. Even if we or the Israelis don't care about that, eventually enough of the rest of the world will care and they'll put a stop to it, one way or t'other. It's happened before.

On your final suggestion, great, just great, let's just become one of the top whacked, brutal empires, all time. Lemmee see, Iraq is going to become a democratic beacon of hope in the middle east but it's hitting some snags? Maybe if we just slaughter any and everyone who might be a problem to us, people will get with the program?

You're dreaming, and they ain't good dreams.

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Dead any kind of terrorist is a good one.

Yes, I agree. However, when you invite those people in and have them on your government, ttake the bribes from them are you truely innocent?

Solution? Thunderdrome. 2 groups enter, 1 group leaves.

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The ultimate wise judge in all the universe. What the hell did we do in Vietnam if not deal out terror wholesale? Against someone who never attacked us and couldn't have if they wanted to?

Are you saying all Amercian troops at that time should have been put to death?

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How? We deliberately set off bombs in a diner there?

The issue then was the spread of communism and the sponsorship from the USSR that we were addressing. The thought was that state by state was falling to the communists and it could threaten us at some point. Yes, I know they didn't attack us and couldn't. The thought was that if enough countries fell, it would pose a problem.

If those troops did what Hezbollah and Hammas does and the other side didn't, why not?

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You can split hairs all you want. No suicide bombers on our side in Nam but we did have brave men dropping bombs from 30,000 feet on cities and semi-randomly in fields and elsewhere.

Yeah, we were worried that if X, Y, and Z were to happen, we might have *********s in jet planes laying waste to our cities. So in a stroke of utter brilliance, we thought, we'll do it first and it'll never get to that point!!

Yeah, yeah a long time ago, Soviet menace, etc. Ho wanted to be our ally much more than the Soviets but we weren't interested in a former western colony becoming a free agent. Read some real history on it instead of swallowing the official Ollie North version.

Spare me this crap of how everyone else are murderous creeps cept us.

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So then what war isn't a terrorist action, by your definations? What about WWII? What about WWI? It would be wonderful if we could have your army meet my army at Waterloo on the said date at the same time. No non-combatants would be involved. War has however evolved. The problem was that in WWII, we fought the German Army or Japanese army and it was easy to see who was what. The VC tend to run into the villages and use them as shields. Much like what the Hezbollah and what not are doing. So, what is it your propose? Stand with a target for you to shoot me and run and disappear and if I hit where I think an enemy is and it is civillians it is terrorism? It isn't splitting hairs. Our primary target was the enemy soldiers. There was no percentage in shooting civillians. Yes, there were some elements that got so frustrated that they took it out on the population. Not saying that was good in any way. However, I doubt that they were deliberately bombing a place because it was a school or bus just to scare the hell out of somebody else.

You saying that wasn't the intention with the spread of communism?

Yes, I know. What of it? I lived in that region in that time. Been there before. You? I didn't know the Ollie North version since I never cared to read it.

Fair enough IF you spare me the crap of how everyone else walks on water cept us and that we are the scum of the world while everyone is an angel

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Take some deep breaths and abandon ridiculous hyperbole. We are fairly good people drifting astray, IMO.

The actions of those who started those wars could easily be classified as a sort of terrorism. Sometimes war is unavoidable. Nam was eminently avoidable. Read some books about. You didn't live in Nam. Nor did I but at least I've tried to educate myself about it.

If you would STUDY the issue instead of spouting knee jerk patriotic would-be defensivness you might note that the experience with "democratic capitalism" that Vietnam was treated to at the hands of the French was exactly what caused them to choose communism. Our influence after the French didn't help any. No one in the west was willing to be their ally against the French -- the French we love to hate except when we go on about how we had to continue their invaluable project in Vietnam. So they took help from the only source they felt they could deal with: the USSR. The definitely didn't trust China, who tried to take them over after we left.

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Is it? You seem to find fault with everything we do but when others do it, I don't hear you yell and scream. There seems to be only one party at fault and that would be us. It doesn't matter what we do in response to what, we are at fault. At least that is what I can see from your posts. Isreal has moved back from Lebanon and what has it gotten them? They had a starting offer of 95% of the Palestinian demands with the stipulation that for 14 days, you stop the bombing. How far did that get? Missiles come into Isreal from Lebanon, soldiers get killed and kidnapped and this has been an ongoing issue since what? 1948? They get pissed and react and you say they go too far. What would you suggest? Coffee at Starbucks and talk some more?

With that defination of terrorism, you are right. We are guilty of terrorism. I suppose if you change defination of words, you can achieve whatever you want. So, what else is terrorism? The IRS wanting my taxes? What about my neighbour spitting on the sidewalk in front of my house? Can I classify that as terrorism? Yes, it is rediculous but so is your defination. What is the general understanding of the word? At least you try educate yourself about Nam? Like how? I lived in Asia at that time. My business is linked with Nam. I have to communicate with the people from there all the time at night (our time, daytime their time). I have been there and have to be there in the future. My father has a company there. If I want to know something, I can ask the peopel there next time I see them. You? Yes, today, it looked avoidable. What about at that time? Many asian governments have been and are still persecuting communists TODAY. Do you think that is coincidence? A lot of things I did yesterday don't look so good today. Haven't you ever had that experience? I'm man enough to admit that I have had a few things that I did yesterday that were calculated perfectly and looked good then. Today, it blew up. Can't win them all. Hindsight IS better than 20/20. Did it work in Korea? I guess there is still a North and South so I would say "yes". Did it work in Nam? probably not. Did it slow down the advance of communism? Some would argue yes and others would say no.

Bottom line, whatever you want to call it, they had nothing to lose so they went communist. That has been the same story everywhere. Refresh my memory, why did the USSR go communist? Could it be the same reason? And China? The French were involved? You don't say! Maybe that is why French is still very widely used and some of the words bastardized into certain words in Vietnamese.

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