Originally Posted by mercmad6.3

You write a whole load of typical Mushroom food ,typical of the tripe dished out by supporters of the genocide pertrated on the World in the name of freedom and Democracy by the Bush government.
I knew the USA had lost the war in Iraq on the second day when ,not only did a muslem US soldier attempt to kill officers in a rear base,but it was reported widely throughout the world on news services how a US corporal crowed about how he shot dead an unarmed 10 year old boy.
Such actions are the result of Arrogance ,and as such,not the actions of victorious army.

Absolute Rubbish!!!!
From the phillipines,western Samoa,then Cuba to the insane rhetoric concerning Iran,the USA has been contiinuosly been trying to instill it's own style of Colonial imperialism on the world .
We Jews have a saying concerning this...

Until the USA experiences the taste of it's own ashes it will continue to fight it's war in other countries.

Originally Posted by mercmad6.3

Communism didn't collapse under anyones or anythings shortcommings,It was direct result of Gorbachov's perestroika followed by a take over of the Russian Government by Boris Yeltsin.
The same people who ran Russia under the Soviet System are still there ,especially Vladimir Putin.
Communism is working well in China ,in case you had forgotten.
Americans always confuse communism as expounded by Marx and Engles with Stalinist ( and Now Bu****e) totalitarianism.
In Israel ,the same philosphy of communal living by the kibbutzim was Lauded by the same people who decried communism in other countries,(e.g. Cuba) a further example of the mushroom philosphy of American Politics.

Originally Posted by mercmad6.3

You write a whole load of typical Mushroom food ,typical of the tripe dished out by supporters of the genocide pertrated on the World in the name of freedom and Democracy by the Bush government.
I knew the USA had lost the war in Iraq on the second day when ,not only did a muslem US soldier attempt to kill officers in a rear base,but it was reported widely throughout the world on news services how a US corporal crowed about how he shot dead an unarmed 10 year old boy.
Such actions are the result of Arrogance ,and as such,not the actions of victorious army.

Absolute Rubbish!!!!
From the phillipines,western Samoa,then Cuba to the insane rhetoric concerning Iran,the USA has been contiinuosly been trying to instill it's own style of Colonial imperialism on the world .
We Jews have a saying concerning this...

Until the USA experiences the taste of it's own ashes it will continue to fight it's war in other countries.

Originally Posted by peragro

Upon reading your comment I initially thought to myself "gee, it would be nice if this person could make sense or at least write coherently". A few milliseconds later I concluded that it's probably a good thing that you don't and probably won't as your premises seems to always involve bogey men and fantasy.

BTW, the article that I posted and you quoted had nothing to do with Bush. It was published 16 years prior to Bush coming into office. You would have caught that if your world didn't revolve around a single person.

Originally Posted by Maroon 300D

I, too would like to see the radical Muslims who plot to destroy us eliminated. How can we accomplish this? If we kill a bunch, a bunch more will take their place. If we take out all the governments friendly to such people, what will take their place?

I'm not convinced the job can be done with force alone, either before or after a nuclear attack on one of our cities.

I think a workable solution is hard to come by. I don't think the current people in power have any brilliant ideas in this regard, either, or we would be doing more. I'm not sure apathy is to blame.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Point being, Israel's response, relying so heavily on air power, is going to net them more enemies primarily.

Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself. But this SOP massive overkill ensures a steady supply of fresh hatred. Oh boy, stale hatred's not good enough, they have to go and whip some up fresh.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

On the topic of aiding rather than bombing people, did'ya hear about Hezbollah passing out packets of $12,000 in crisp U.S. C-notes to people whose homes had been destroyed in Lebanon?

Ironic as hell that they claim to hate us but fall back on our currency as the lingua franca of sorts, currency style.

Nature abhors a vacuum, and people who's houses have been turned into rubble are not going to ignore that kind of immediate assistance.

Yes, yes, it's true that Hezbuggers attack on Israel started the whole thing, as I've heard about 12 hundred times.

How does it go, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? That dictum was not handed down originally as a severe edict on punishment but as a means to make punishments fit the crime, i.e., no severing of a hand for stealing a loaf of bread.

Ironcially, Israel does not adhere to that notion when it bombs the bejusus out of thousands of dwellings in response to the original offense.

Originally Posted by mercmad6.3

Communism didn't collapse under anyones or anythings shortcommings,It was direct result of Gorbachov's perestroika followed by a take over of the Russian Government by Boris Yeltsin.
The same people who ran Russia under the Soviet System are still there ,especially Vladimir Putin.
Communism is working well in China ,in case you had forgotten.
Americans always confuse communism as expounded by Marx and Engles with Stalinist ( and Now Bu****e) totalitarianism.
In Israel ,the same philosphy of communal living by the kibbutzim was Lauded by the same people who decried communism in other countries,(e.g. Cuba) a further example of the mushroom philosphy of American Politics.

Originally Posted by aklim

What is the original offense to you then? The 2 soldiers kidnapped or the years of this going on? You keep poking at me and I slap your hand. One day I am going to get so angry that I beat the hell out of you and send you to the hospital for a month. Now you get upset and say that my response is way out of hand for a poke or two.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

All of this talk about how we better nuke them first cause they'd do it to us in a heartbeat misses the fact that they have not yet been in the position of potentially having their country paved with glass.

We worried big time about Russia and China getting nukes and when they did, it almost brought them to some sense, I'm guessing.

Any first use of nukes on our part would bring down an international $h!t-storm of the highest order. Any possible restraint Iran or anyone else might have had on using nukes would be swept aside.

It's a bit of damned if you do and damned if you don't. We just need to make it clear to them that we bat last.

Originally Posted by Maroon 300D

Ultimately we can't control what China and India do. But if we stop buying ME oil, or at least large (huge!) quantities of it, the problems in that area will involve us less and China and India more, assuming they pick up the slack.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

One of the best part of the SF Chronicle is the letters section. Here's a fellow who said it better than I could:

Editor -- With the latest cease-fire in Lebanon, there seems to be little confidence in many quarters that it will be permanent. Already the antagonists are probably planning on how they can do better the next time.

In these times of asymmetrical warfare, both Iraq and Lebanon have demonstrated that overwhelming military superiority no longer assures victory, so perhaps a different approach might be worth trying. One of the main reasons it seems that organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas enjoy such popular support is the extensive social-welfare programs they administer. So why don't we play them at their own game?

How about taking a chunk of the billions of our tax dollars we send Israel each year for military hardware and spend it in Lebanon on setting up a string of American medical clinics, schools and other social-welfare programs?

Imagine yourself as a young impressionable male in southern Lebanon and who would win your "heart and mind''? The country that supplied medicines for your sick family or the one that supplied the bombs falling on your grandmother?

The Bush administration's foreign policy is almost all stick and no carrot. Would excessive punishment (or threat thereof) make you behave any better or would it just make you angrier and more determined?

Let's try thinning the terrorist ranks by separating the good average Muslim from the extremists by offering them something more worthwhile than more violence and destruction.

JOHN NEAL
San Anselmo

Originally Posted by aklim

Great idea. Old but great. It worked so well in Afghanistan. Remember OBL? He took our intelligence, money and most importantly, stinger missiles. Without those stingers, the Russian choppers would have chopped them away to bits of flesh. Did they remember us with fondness? Doubtful. If we did it, they would assume we are tryin to buy them off. If Hezbollah did it, it is muslim charity and thus free of taint.

Originally Posted by Botnst

Interesting lesson in ... gratitude.

B