Peragro, you make good points, but you are still making a straw man argument because none of the Democratic proposals you cite say: "They'll leave us alone if we just leave them alone." Maybe you will close that loop in part 2.

If I understand Murtha, he is saying that our presence in Iraq exacerbates the terrorism problem and that we can more effectively fight terrorists by pulling back over the horizon. While his approach requires us to eat some crow, I don't see any part of his plan that relies on the good faith of the terrorists. He just has a different way of fighting them. He hasn't convinced me that his plan would work, but he is not an appeaser.Diplomacy is not about talking. It's about listening.