How Do We "Win" a War on Terror? - Page 46 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

peragro · #**676** 09-09-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

And it doesn't bother you that all those Bush administration figures were so wildly off the mark?

Gosh, you mean I should save my support for an administration that is right about everything they say and makes no mistakes?

How innovative, why didn't I think of that?

Honus · #**677** 09-09-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf

Blah blah blah. We are in there now. It's to that point. What would ya'll have us do?? Make me a Democrat. What's the great plan??

Why can no-one answer that?? It's always about what shouldn't have been done. WHAT?? WHAT?? WHAT??

Bush bears the blame for the messes he's made, but you have a point here.

Botnst · #**678** 09-09-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Oh quit trying to unburden yourself of the label you have been smighted with.

I have never had occasion to conjugate the verb, "To Smite." But I believe the past tense is "smitten." But I could have been smitified by an ignorance stick.

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Honus · #**679** 09-09-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Gosh, you mean I should save my support for an administration that is right about everything they say and makes no mistakes?...

No, but I would hope that you would have at least some minimum performance standards. How incompetent does this administration have to get before you start to doubt them?

peragro · #**680** 09-09-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I have never had occasion to conjugate the verb, "To Smite." But I believe the past tense is "smitten." But I could have been smitified by an ignorance stick.

B

I originally wrote smitten, but that just seemed too, something...

I like smighted in this case. It's kind of a word that doesn't exist used to exemplify a monniker that doesn't logically exist in this case.

peragro · #**681** 09-09-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

No, but I would hope that you would have at least some minimum performance standards. How incompetent does this administration have to get before you start to doubt them?

They could begin by ignoring that there was a problem, but they don't.

Botnst · #**682** 09-09-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

I originally wrote smitten, but that just seemed too, something...

I like smighted in this case. It's kind of a word that doesn't exist used to exemplify a monniker that doesn't logically exist in this case.

I concede your argument concerning smitification.

B

raymr · #**683** 09-09-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

I originally wrote smitten, but that just seemed too, something...

I like smighted in this case. It's kind of a word that doesn't exist used to exemplify a monniker that doesn't logically exist in this case.

That calls for a smitten of bourbon, oops smidgen.

peragro · #**684** 09-09-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

That calls for a smitten of bourbon, oops smidgen.

you could have enough smidgens as appropriate to not become smitten...

Unless you go with pure grain, in which case you would quickly be smited.

Botnst · #**685** 09-09-2006, 10:52 PM

And this folks, is why I enjoy this place.

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cmac2012 · #**686** 09-10-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

BTW, whatever came of Richard Perle? He is one clueless SOB, isn't he?

Richard Perle is in the running with Bill Kristol for person I most have a hard time stomacing. I can only imagine he's collecting remuneration from his invaluable service on the boards of numerous defense industry firms.

He reminds me a lot of Achmahd Chalabi (sp), a grinning, amoral opportunist who has somehow weasled his way into fortune and influence.

cmac2012 · #**687** 09-10-2006, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Then how do you explain the following statements collected at http://www.house.gov/schakowsky/iraqquotes_web.htm?

Good stuff. I was pretty certain I recalled hearing a lot of talk about it but I didn't have the quotes at my quick disposal.

This is part of the reason we're so unpopular there, IMO. Much of the reconstruction is being contracted out to American firms and a lot of that is way behind schedule or over-budget. Of course the instability has a lot to do with that and that instability was widely predicted, though not by administration spokespeople.

So to Iraqi builders and contractors, frequently frozen out, the whole thing looks a lot like theft of their oil resources.

cmac2012 · #**688** 09-10-2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Boy! It's a good thing us folk of European descent never have been to nationalistic or stubborn. And I sure am glad we're a lot smarter than them ayrabs. Too bad democracy is only for smart folk.

Show me one conflict in America that was/is as deeply intractible as the Sunni/Shia split. Euro-Americans had a lot less in common with Afro-Americans than Sunnis with Shias yet we have managed to make a far better peace with each other than the Sunni/Shia. Even with all the brutality of the Jim Crow days, the sheer number of Shia deaths under Saddam, and the current rate of Sunni deaths at the hands of Shia death squads dwarf the number of deaths of blacks at the hands of whites.

I don't have a good explanation for why they have such a violently bad relationship, do you?

Botnst · #**689** 09-10-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Show me one conflict in America that was/is as deeply intractible as the Sunni/Shia split. Euro-Americans had a lot less in common with Afro-Americans than Sunnis with Shias yet we have managed to make a far better peace with each other than the Sunni/Shia. Even with all the brutality of the Jim Crow days, the sheer number of Shia deaths under Saddam, and the current rate of Sunni deaths at the hands of Shia death squads dwarf the number of deaths of blacks at the hands of whites.

I don't have a good explanation for why they have such a violently bad relationship, do you?

1861, you should've been there! Man, it was a killer party!

t walgamuth · #**690** 09-10-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

That is precisely the point. Johnson was unwilling to use the level of barbarity necessary for victory. The North Vietnamese were. They won.

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so you think the nuclear option would have led to certain victory? a huge smoking crater where a country once was? that would be a victory?

if you think what we did over there was not barbaric, i suggest you ask the folks who lived through napalm and agent orange if it was barbaric or not.

i also suggest you read "dear mom, a snipers viet nam" by joseph ward. some interesting insights there from one who lived it.

tom w