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kip Foss · #**136** 09-22-2006, 10:53 PM

pxland,

This 'transmografication' from 'wanta-be' gangsta/pimp to 'really is' gangsta/pimp, etc., etc. is alive and well here in S. Texas. At least, and I have no other proof of these statistics except my daily reading of the local newspaper, 98+% of the crimes committed from San Antonio south to the Valley are committed by Hispanics.

This poor put upon 'minority' makes up over 55% of the population here in Corpus Christi and over 95% in the Valley. They have more opportunity for special educational programs, either academic or trades, than any other group in the area. Yet they still have the highest drop out rate, the lowest literacy, the highest illegitimate birth rate, the highest incarceration, the highest single parent family rate, the hishest rate of uninsured drivers, you name it-they got it. and all the while local industry is crying for labor. The problem is that they have to pass a drug test which immediately puts a stop the hiriing.

Yet yare after year we still bend over backwards to afford (using my tax dollars) them and other 'minorities' the opportunity to get a life. Millions are wasted on these and other programs and the results are about two percentage points above zip. It seems that these people take some sort of perverse pride in wallowing in the mud of their self proclaimed destitution. In the local schools any Hispanic that is seen to be trying to bettering himself is immediately set upon by other Hispanics as trying to be a 'wetta' (a person of light complection). I think the same holds true for the Blacks. With an attitude like this there certainly can be little hope for either race.

The multitude of successfull Asians makes our minorities 'predicament' even more untenable. When the hue and cry is heard about the "God damned Pakies, Indians, Chinks, Slopes, etc., etc.' taking over all 'our' motels, convience stores, etc., etc I remind the complainer that one second before that Asian bought that business it was for sale and could have easily been bought by one of 'us', probably using a government backed SBA loan. Where are all the Black and Hispanic small business operators? What makes an Asian, who's second (or third or forth) language is English, a better businessman that a local minority?

When the minorities start complaining about discrimanation I usually offer to pay for their return trip to their county of oriiginal origin. I have yet to be taken up on the offer.

t walgamuth · #**137** 09-23-2006, 06:53 AM

kip, kip, kip.

a lot of nastyness there, man.

around here there are a lot of hispanic businessmen and ladies.

the indians have a long history of being merchants. it is a part of their culture. an indian takes to commerce like a duck to water.

i am sure your comments about minority people being down on their own who they think are too "uppidy" or similar have truth in them. and this is tragic.

i dont know the answer, but there is a lot of blaming the victims going on around lately. the most disgusting was in the aftermath of katrina.

im ho.

tom w

BENZ-LGB · #**138** 09-23-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

kip, kip, kip.

a lot of nastyness there, man.

around here there are a lot of hispanic businessmen and ladies.

the indians have a long history of being merchants. it is a part of their culture. an indian takes to commerce like a duck to water.

i am sure your comments about minority people being down on their own who they think are too "uppidy" or similar have truth in them. and this is tragic.

i dont know the answer, but there is a lot of blaming the victims going on around lately. the most disgusting was in the aftermath of katrina.

im ho.

tom w

tom...tom...tom...

As you all know by now I am Hispanic. I was bornin Cuba. My wife is Hispanic. She was born in Mexico.

I find NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING wrong with Kip's comments.

It is not alleged racism that may hold me back. It is the attitudes and action of many Hispanics, as described by Kip, that may hold me back.

When someone hears my last name, w/o knowing more, right away the assume that I am one "of those" Hispanics that Kip described.

And uess what, given the percentages I can't blame that person for assuming the worst about me.

So if I have to work 2x, 3x, 4x times as hard to prove myself, it is because of the actions of the milions of idiots who come to this country, presumably because their country was a ****hole and guess what, they turn their barrios into ****holes.

So who is holding me back? The white "racists" or the stupid Hispanics, who by their actions provide fodder to the racists?

Think about that one tom.

All I ask Kip, and people who are inclined to think like him, is to keep an open mind.

For example, yesterday I had a crew at my place cleaning, trimming and cutting down some dead trees. The busines owner is Hispanic, I've known him fo a while. He came here from Sonora, illegally. He eventually became a citizen.

He began his landscaping busines like most of these guys do, with a beat up Toyota truck and used tools. Now he owns a succesful business, owns expensive, new, heavy-duty equipment, has a full, regular, uniformed crew, has a license and carries insurance.

And look at what Cubans have done in Miami. In the span of one generatoion cubans have become leaders in busines, politics, the entertainment industry, etc.

Again, all I ask Kip is to keep an open mind and all I ask you tom is to stop coddling these people and stop making excuses for them.

t walgamuth · #**139** 09-23-2006, 03:50 PM

and whom have i coddled?

i only want everyone to have the same opportunity that i have had.

tom w

Trakehner · #**140** 09-23-2006, 08:58 PM

I agree with Bill Cosby, but I question why he's saying it and I find his message unnecessarily rude. There's never any need to be nasty.

I wonder why Dr Cosby finds the need to say things most people already know. Those that don't know these things surely aren't listening or reading Dr Cosby's comments. Maybe he says these things to get attention in his later years? I honestly believe the reason Dr Cosby says these things is much deeper. As you know Dr Cosby grew up in the poorer districts of Philadelphia in what's called Project Housing. He grew up in conditions much like those of the people he's criticizing. Dr Cosby has never forgotten from where he came and I believe he's ashamed of his background. I think Dr Cosby realizes who he is, he realizes where he's from and seems to be saying "I may be from THERE, but I'm not one of THEM", a kind of self-affirmation spoken publicly. In a sense he's distancing himself from a past he's not proud of and convincing himself that he's not one of THEM even though he's from THERE. The thought that he very easily could have been one of THEM scares him.

Bill Cosby, like many of the folks he criticizes, ends up with a love child. His son (with all his degrees) ends up shot dead just like so many of the blacks you read about in the ghetto. This was the final straw, time to distance himself from unpleasant memories.

His put-downs remind me of a game he played as a child, the dozens. He talks about this game in one of his essays. The dozens is a game the blacks play in which they, supposedly in good nature, put each other down. A game like this doesn't sound that healthful. Anyway....

kip Foss · #**141** 09-23-2006, 09:35 PM

Benz-lbg,

Believe me I don't have anything against any color. I was born in Dallas amid blacks, I was raised in Houston amid blacks, and from 12 years old lived in S. Texas amid Menicans. I spent 20 years overseas living and working with every color imaginable.

What I do have against people of any color, esp. whites, is when they don't carry their share of the load. When they sit on their butts while others do their work is a crime against themselves. I work with an 18 man crew at the alumina plant, half Hispanics and half white. There are as many lazy whites as there are Hispanics so my biref is not just with Hispanics. But when either race relys on the charity of others when they can solve their won problems themselves, that's when I get a bit pissed.

Industry, esp. oil and gas related in this area, is crying for labor yet we still have young, healthy, employable people on welfare. I don't mean to start sounding like Rush Limbaugh but there is some truth in his warped logic. Maybe it is the drugs he takes.

t walgamuth · #**142** 09-23-2006, 11:26 PM

i dont think you will actually find very many if any young healthy employable folks on welfare.

it isnt that easy to get these days.

tom w

mikemover · #**143** 09-27-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

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i dont know the answer, but there is a lot of blaming the victims going on around lately. the most disgusting was in the aftermath of katrina.

BRAVO!

You accidentally hit the nail right on the head with this comment!

You call them "victims"...

I submit that the vast majority of the offending individuals are NOT "victims" of anything, other than being victims of their own lack of motivation.

Mike

mikemover · #**144** 09-27-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Trakehner

I agree with Bill Cosby, but I question why he's saying it and I find his message unnecessarily rude. There's never any need to be nasty.

I wonder why Dr Cosby finds the need to say things most people already know. Those that don't know these things surely aren't listening or reading Dr Cosby's comments. Maybe he says these things to get attention in his later years? I honestly believe the reason Dr Cosby says these things is much deeper. As you know Dr Cosby grew up in the poorer districts of Philadelphia in what's called Project Housing. He grew up in conditions much like those of the people he's criticizing. Dr Cosby has never forgotten from where he came and I believe he's ashamed of his background. I think Dr Cosby realizes who he is, he realizes where he's from and seems to be saying "I may be from THERE, but I'm not one of THEM", a kind of self-affirmation spoken publicly. In a sense he's distancing himself from a past he's not proud of and convincing himself that he's not one of THEM even though he's from THERE. The thought that he very easily could have been one of THEM scares him.

Ridiculous.

There has been nothing "rude" or "nasty" about his comments... Everything he has said concerning the issue has been well thought-out, and well-spoken, and quite factual.

It is the RESPONSE to his comments that has been rude and nasty... Remarks from people of his own race, calling him an "Uncle Tom", a "House N****r", and worse....

The indignant responses from many so-called black leaders and many in the black community demonstrates that he has hit the mark pretty accurately.

Obviously the entire issue is a sore spot, but instead of acknowledging that he is correct, and taking actions to remedy the problem, they merely lash out at the one influential black person who had the balls to say what has needed to be said for a LOOOONG time.

Mike

BENZ-LGB · #**145** 09-27-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

BRAVO!

You accidentally hit the nail right on the head with this comment!

You call them "victims"...

I submit that the vast majority of the offending individuals are NOT "victims" of anything, other than being victims of their own lack of motivation.

Mike

My point exactly.

I read someplace that this past week Cosby donate a large sum of money for an African History Museum.

Good for him.

Trakehner · #**146** 09-27-2006, 09:12 PM

Hello Mikemover, will you please provide me with names and specific quotes from some of the "black leaders" who had indignant responses to Dr Cosby's comments. I've talked to quite a few blacks I've encountered and asked them what they thought about Dr Cosby's comments, they usually agree with Dr Cosby and/or point out that his doctorate is "only" in Education. I'm not sure why they take glee in mentioning that his doctorate is only in Education.

Bill Cosby appears to be very angry and that amount of anger is never productive, it's quite corrosive. Why does Bill Cosby have to say he can't even talk like these people? What's the point?

I know about the jewish people in Philadelphia who helped him out time and again and never gave up on him when he needed help and made so many mistakes in his youth. Temple University that educated him and gave him a leg up. Suppose he had not been given all this help, he could very easily have ended up like the blacks he admonishes, he seems to forget that.

t walgamuth · #**147** 09-27-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

BRAVO!

You accidentally hit the nail right on the head with this comment!

You call them "victims"...

I submit that the vast majority of the offending individuals are NOT "victims" of anything, other than being victims of their own lack of motivation.

Mike

so you dont think there were any victims of katrina?

kindof shows your mind set.

tom w