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A264172 · #76 10-05-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Hard to hold a knife or pistol without a thumb. Must be the thumbs responsibility.

(note: cmac2012 didn't write this either)

My god man you too! I fear for the thumbs of americans this day... the steady thumbing that has marked our heritage may some day soon be at an end.

azimuth · #77 10-05-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kamil

But then I'd cheat on her every other day....

...because you ain't got no control.....

azimuth · #78 10-05-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by riethoven

How is it irrelevant? If he didn't have access to guns, he would have had a hard time doing this. The gun lobby will argue against me all day, but the first thing the BBC came out with regarding this story was the easy access to guns in the US and that PA is one of the more lenient states.

Why didn't the milkman assault a police station and murder officers execution style?

kamil · #79 10-05-2006, 01:38 AM

Canada has strict gun control laws and this crap happened there about 3 weeks ago.

kamil · #80 10-05-2006, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by azimuth

Why didn't the milkman assault a police station and murder officers execution style?

That's an excellent point you brought up there. I'm going to use this thought when I'm debating the tree hugging whale saving democrats.

mbzr4ever · #81 10-05-2006, 03:29 AM

Schoolgirls Executed in Their Classroom: America Shrugs

Another grotesque shooting, another equally grotesque exercise in national denial sure to culminate in President Bush's announced plans for a "summit" on school violence. In the wake of three high-profile school shootings in one week, the last committed by an apparently law-abiding gun owner until he pulled the trigger executing five Amish schoolgirls, America will once again go through the now-predictable exercise of trying to identify any single, possible factor for these gun deaths--except for the guns themselves.

On television news, anchors refer to the school shootings as "unavoidable," as if such mass shootings are the bastard children born of hurricanes and snowstorms.

It's worth repeating. Schoolgirls are executed in their classroom. And we label it "unavoidable."

And while Bush's hollow palliatives are of no surprise--would anyone like to predict the number of gun violence prevention organizations or firearms researchers that will be invited to his so-called "summit"--the ability of the American public to be punched in the face with shooting after shooting, and offer little more in response than a national shrug, is stunning. This includes: the Democratic policymakers and activists who view these deaths as an apparently fair price to pay in the hopes of winning the votes of the pro-gun advocates who hold nothing but scorn for them; Mittey-esque blowhards on the left and right who envision themselves as modern-day Minutemen prepared to do battle with an oppressive government; rural and suburban Americans who mistakenly believe that gun violence is limited to America's big cities; gun advocates who dismiss America's firearms toll as the "price of freedom"; and, most depressing of all, the bulk of Americans who want answers but aren't being offered real solutions.

What will it take to get us to the point where we will acknowledge reality and begin to tackle the issue of guns in America in the same way that virtually every other industrialized nation has done successfully? Just when will we have a national debate about the need to ban handguns? A debate that was, in fact, robust in the 1970s. One thing is as clear as it is depressing: Only when things get a lot worse than this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/schoolgirls-executed-in-t_b_30965.html

kamil · #82 10-05-2006, 04:19 AM

Ok, so a few people die by the gun but now look at the other side. How many more were saved because they were carrying a weapon? I don't own any guns just yet but will do so in the future. I truly do hope that people begin rioting if a handgun ban goes into effect. I'm sure there will be many many pissed off people ready to riot all over the place. Furthermore, the country will lose many jobs that are related to guns....ie. manufacturing, selling, shooting ranges, etc. etc. Billions of dollars!!! A person must be dumb to blame everything on the gun when it's the people using them. It's like driving drunk, getting into an accident and blaming it on the car.

How many people get stabbed a day? I'm sure the number is greater than people getting shot. Why don't we ban knives as well, heck while we're at it maybe throw some baseball bats into the equation. These damn people blame weapons as the main cause of everything. I don't really remember reading about school shootings from the 50s; I'm sure they had guns then. Why don't these whacko tree hugging people look closely at today's society as opposed to guns before jumping to conclusions.

Another point that I just thought about....more people die in car accidents than all gun deaths put together. Should we ban cars as well? People are such pussies, they see a few shootings on the news and get scared out of their minds. So what is their solution? Blame the gun.

jlomon · #83 10-05-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

Hunting with a gun is INFINITELY more humane than they way most predators in the animal kingdom kill their prey... Have you ever watched a cat torture a mouse before killing it and eating it?... Have you ever watched a snake suffocate a rabbit?... Humans are quite humane in our hunting habits, relatively speaking.
Mike

Not to mention infinitely more humane than the way agribusiness processes the meat we buy at supermarkets. I've never hunted in my life. But I have the utmost respect for people who hunt and kill their own food. It serves as a reminder that what ends up on the plate started out walking on four hooves.

azimuth · #84 10-05-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mbzr4ever

Schoolgirls Executed in Their Classroom: America Shrugs

Another grotesque shooting, another equally grotesque exercise in national denial sure to culminate in President Bush's announced plans for a "summit" on school violence. In the wake of three high-profile school shootings in one week, the last committed by an apparently law-abiding gun owner until he pulled the trigger executing five Amish schoolgirls, America will once again go through the now-predictable exercise of trying to identify any single, possible factor for these gun deaths--except for the guns themselves.

On television news, anchors refer to the school shootings as "unavoidable," as if such mass shootings are the bastard children born of hurricanes and snowstorms.

It's worth repeating. Schoolgirls are executed in their classroom. And we label it "unavoidable."

And while Bush's hollow palliatives are of no surprise--would anyone like to predict the number of gun violence prevention organizations or firearms researchers that will be invited to his so-called "summit"--the ability of the American public to be punched in the face with shooting after shooting, and offer little more in response than a national shrug, is stunning. This includes: the Democratic policymakers and activists who view these deaths as an apparently fair price to pay in the hopes of winning the votes of the pro-gun advocates who hold nothing but scorn for them; Mittey-esque blowhards on the left and right who envision themselves as modern-day Minutemen prepared to do battle with an oppressive government; rural and suburban Americans who mistakenly believe that gun violence is limited to America's big cities; gun advocates who dismiss America's firearms toll as the "price of freedom"; and, most depressing of all, the bulk of Americans who want answers but aren't being offered real solutions.

What will it take to get us to the point where we will acknowledge reality and begin to tackle the issue of guns in America in the same way that virtually every other industrialized nation has done successfully? Just when will we have a national debate about the need to ban handguns? A debate that was, in fact, robust in the 1970s. One thing is as clear as it is depressing: Only when things get a lot worse than this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/schoolgirls-executed-in-t_b_30965.html

For the record, The Huffington Post is a flaming liberal blogspot where foaming at he mouth opinion is presented as fact regularly.

Would this blogger also address the need to eliminate the first amendment everytime it is abused?

Honus · #85 10-05-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kamil

...more people die in car accidents than all gun deaths put together. Should we ban cars as well?...

That's an apples-and-oranges comparison. I have never needed a gun. I can't think of anyone I know who has ever needed a gun. I've known plenty of hunters who love their guns, but they could get along without them if necessary. By comparison, my inlaws in Manhattan are the only people I know who don't need their own car.

And another thing, I don't see any serious danger of guns being banned in this country. Over regulated, perhaps, but not banned.

mikemover · #86 10-05-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

That's an apples-and-oranges comparison. I have never needed a gun. I can't think of anyone I know who has ever needed a gun. I've known plenty of hunters who love their guns, but they could get along without them if necessary. By comparison, my inlaws in Manhattan are the only people I know who don't need their own car.

And another thing, I don't see any serious danger of guns being banned in this country. Over regulated, perhaps, but not banned.

"Over-regulation", as you call it, is just the slow path to a ban.

Obviously at this point people would not support an outright ban... "cold-turkey", so to speak.

But it has been proven by other issues that they WILL tolerate small, seemingly insignificant restrictions that are presented under the guise of being "good for society"... The anti-gun politicians are WELL AWARE of this loophole in public acceptance... And they will take advantage of it.

Keep adding those little pieces of legislation to the pile slowly enough, and most of the public will not notice until it's too late.

One day we'll wake up, and it will just be SO damned difficult to legally own a gun, that the net effect will be the same as a "ban".

Mike

dacia · #87 10-05-2006, 12:53 PM

I am not sure if hunting for food deserves the “outmost” respect, it is a way of life for some people. Natives have done it for millennia; I still think it is the easy way out to put a scope on a high powered hunting riffle and kill an animal from hundreds of yards. But of course they don’t hunt on foot anymore either, they roam around on ATVs. Little wonder diabetes is rampant.

Being on top of the food chain doesn’t mean that we should keep blasting away at everything that moves just because we can. Nature can be ruthless sometimes but it is never ruthless for the thrill of it. Animals kill other animals for food not for entertainment.
On top if that, every species have defense mechanism with which they elude being killed by a predator. Then humans come along and start shooting everything just so that they can feel manlier. I see serious flaws in that.

Handguns were invented, designed and produced with one goal in mind, and serve no other purpose, than to kill people Kamil, cars are a necessity. If a drunk or an inattentive driver kills someone with a car then that car wasn’t used for its intended purpose. If you kill someone with a handgun or an assault rifle you just followed the manufacturer’s instructions. People who collect things that are used for one purpose only, to kill other living creatures be it human or animal, have serious issues and character flaws.

It is mute point to argue about guns in the US now, the genie is out of the bottle an it will take along time to put it back.

Alex

mikemover · #88 10-05-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dacia

I am not sure if hunting for food deserves the “outmost” respect, it is a way of life for some people. Natives have done it for millennia; I still think it is the easy way out to put a scope on a high powered hunting riffle and kill an animal from hundreds of yards. But of course they don’t hunt on foot anymore either, they roam around on ATVs. Little wonder diabetes is rampant.

Being on top of the food chain doesn’t mean that we should keep blasting away at everything that moves just because we can. Nature can be ruthless sometimes but it is never ruthless for the thrill of it. Animals kill other animals for food not for entertainment.
On top if that, every species have defense mechanism with which they elude being killed by a predator. Then humans come along and start shooting everything just so that they can feel manlier. I see serious flaws in that.

Handguns were invented, designed and produced with one goal in mind, and serve no other purpose, than to kill people Kamil, cars are a necessity. If a drunk or an inattentive driver kills someone with a car then that car wasn’t used for its intended purpose. If you kill someone with a handgun or an assault rifle you just followed the manufacturer’s instructions. People who collect things that are used for one purpose only, to kill other living creatures be it human or animal, have serious issues and character flaws.

It is mute point to argue about guns in the US now, the genie is out of the bottle an it will take along time to put it back.

Alex

We are hardly "blasting everything that moves, just because we can"...

The percentage of our population that actually hunts, especially on anything resembling a regular basis, is very low. You act like sport hunting is as common as driving or cell phone use or something!

Handguns are also used for recreational and competitive target shooting, etc... And there are a few who use large revolvers for hunting...

But that's beside the point.

Handguns ARE for self-defense. And if that self-defense escalates to the point of killing a violent criminal, then so what?... An innocent victim has been spared, and the gene pool has been improved. Where's the downside?

Additionally, in most cases where a handgun was used in self-defense, a shot was not even fired. More often than not, merely the sight of the weapon and/or the sound of the weapon's action, is sufficient to send the criminal running with his tail between his legs. This was true of the incident I personally experienced as well. One look at my .45 instantly sent the piece of human $h!t running for his life. Although I was quite ready and willing to do so, I didn't have to fire a shot.

Of course you never hear about this fact in the news, because most of them have the same mindless anti-gun bias that you do, and they believe their own paranoid, "all guns are inherently bad" propaganda.

Criminals WILL find ways to commit crimes no matter WHAT you do... Until you find a cure for human nature, guns will ALWAYS be essential for self-defense and law enforcement.

Although I am not a "collector", I do own guns for self-defense and for the simple enjoyment of their engineering and craftsmanship.

I am a highly responsible owner, exercising the utmost in safety habits, and every other gun owner that I know is exactly the same.

I hardly consider this a "character flaw", and frankly I am a bit insulted that you would imply such a thing..

Mike

jlomon · #89 10-05-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dacia

I am not sure if hunting for food deserves the “outmost” respect, it is a way of life for some people. Natives have done it for millennia; I still think it is the easy way out to put a scope on a high powered hunting riffle and kill an animal from hundreds of yards.

You know what? That might not be far from the truth. But it takes a little more committment to dress, gut and butcher that animal after you've taken it down. Some hunters do that, some don't. But even retreiving the carcass and taking it home to be butchered takes more committment than pushing your cart down the meat aisle at the local A&P. Hunting = diabetes? Do you have any empirical data for this trend?

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Originally Posted by dacia

Handguns were invented, designed and produced with one goal in mind, and serve no other purpose, than to kill people Kamil, cars are a necessity.

Would those handguns you mention be anything like the handguns that appear in your avatar? Maybe I'm just stupid, but that cartoon sure appears to be glorifying gun culture. Weren't you the one talking about the hypocrisy of some board members earlier in this thread? Hello, pot? This is the kettle....