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Botnst · #1 11-07-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

i was looking at the propositions for laws in various states and found a curious mix of liberalism and conservatism.

every initiative to allow same sex marriages failed.

every proposal to raise minimum wage passed

every proposal to legalize marajuana in some form passed.

it looks like the senate will be tied if you count lieberman as a dem. (?). allen of virginia's race (maccacca man) is ahead by 7000 votes out of 2.2mil. with 98% of the vote in. (that is really close). if he loses the dems have control of the senate, it appears, if all go as cnn is reporting at this time.

oh yeah, the dems need 51 to control since the vice pres can break ties.

it looks like the dems take control of the house.

it seems to me that the most key issue was the war.

tom w

Excellent synopsis.

To me it this election is the 2nd-best outcome.

The best outcome would be for close elections to go to neither Repo nor Demo but to go to 3rd party candidates. Second best is a divided gov with at least one house in the opposition to the Executive.

I was just watching Charlie Rose and one of the talking heads made an excellent point, IMO. The Democrats need to restrain themselves from over-reaching in their newly-acquired oversight capacity. Look for legitimate grievances but for goodness sakes at least appear to avoid using the power for crass political purposes (this is the Repo transgression vs Clinton--Repos went too far).

Conversely, the Repos should remember that they gained power by being the reform party, a central point they have suppressed in the past 3-6 years in power. In the 1990's they were the cure for the problem and they stupidly became that which they sought to reform.

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MS Fowler · #2 11-08-2006, 12:03 AM

Gridlock can be a beautiful thing

retmil46 · #3 11-08-2006, 12:22 AM

They pointed out on CNN that if the House goes Jackass, but the Senate stays Dumbo, it will be the first time since they started electing Senators by popular vote (100 years or better?) that the Senate and House will be divided like this.

oasis100 · #4 11-08-2006, 01:32 AM

looks like the Dems are going to take the Senate also.

retmil46 · #5 11-08-2006, 01:50 AM

Looks like Allen/Webb might go into recount, by law if less than 1/2 a percentage point difference.

No preference either way on this one, but Webb did make a decent SecNav. Former Marine LT, had enough balls to stand up to the SecDef when he thought he was wrong, and resigned rather than pass on what he felt was a bunch of BS policies from the SecDef to the people under him.

Element · #6 11-08-2006, 01:53 AM

I need help

retmil46 · #7 11-08-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Element

I need help

Looks like you did something right, that post came thru.

cmac2012 · #8 11-08-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

Looks like Allen/Webb might go into recount, by law if less than 1/2 a percentage point difference.

No preference either way on this one, but Webb did make a decent SecNav. Former Marine LT, had enough balls to stand up to the SecDef when he thought he was wrong, and resigned rather than pass on what he felt was a bunch of BS policies from the SecDef to the people under him.

I like Webb much better than Allen. Seems like more of a genuine man's man.

These legacy, silver spoon babies -- Allen, Kerry, Gore, Bush (41,43), Kennedy -- they're a pain. Don't really impress me too much. We need some self made men, women too, just not Hillary.

cmac2012 · #9 11-08-2006, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I was just watching Charlie Rose and one of the talking heads made an excellent point, IMO. The Democrats need to restrain themselves from over-reaching in their newly-acquired oversight capacity. Look for legitimate grievances but for goodness sakes at least appear to avoid using the power for crass political purposes (this is the Repo transgression vs Clinton--Repos went too far).

Conversely, the Repos should remember that they gained power by being the reform party, a central point they have suppressed in the past 3-6 years in power. In the 1990's they were the cure for the problem and they stupidly became that which they sought to reform.

Well put. I think Pelosi is more solid than people give her credit for. Her father was mayor of Balitmore, I believe. Some neat pictures of her as a pretty young girl in the car at various innagural parades.

She's saying she wants no retribution and an honest and above board operation. I think she was smart to say impeachment is off the table. It'd be a GDed circus. Leave that crap to the Repos.

But if the Dems actually take the senate, looks like they might (?!??!), could be the impeachment brew ha-ha will pick up momentum. I think it'd be a mistake. I'll be happy with Dubbers have checks and balances for a change.

Can you say Quack, Quack!! while limping, Mr. Bush?

MS Fowler · #10 11-08-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Well put. I think Pelosi is more solid than people give her credit for. Her father was mayor of Balitmore, I believe. Some neat pictures of her as a pretty young girl in the car at various innagural parades.

She's saying she wants no retribution and an honest and above board operation. I think she was smart to say impeachment is off the table. It'd be a GDed circus. Leave that crap to the Repos.

But if the Dems actually take the senate, looks like they might (?!??!), could be the impeachment brew ha-ha will pick up momentum. I think it'd be a mistake. I'll be happy with Dubbers have checks and balances for a change.

Can you say Quack, Quack!! while limping, Mr. Bush?

I only hope your assessment of Pelosi and the dems leadership will prove to be correct. Who wants the country to destroy itself over partisan bickering. Impeachment hearings would be a big mistake.
The problem the dems face is that now they must govern; not merely whine and criticize what others do. It is far more difficult to act positiviely than tp snipe. You know, losing seems to bring the dem's kook fringe to the fore; perhaps winning will put them back on the back bench
For the good of the country, i wish them well.

cmac2012 · #11 11-08-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I only hope your assessment of Pelosi and the dems leadership will prove to be correct. Who wants the country to destroy itself over partisan bickering. Impeachment hearings would be a big mistake.
The problem the dems face is that now they must govern; not merely whine and criticize what others do. It is far more difficult to act positiviely than tp snipe. You know, losing seems to bring the dem's kook fringe to the fore; perhaps winning will put them back on the back bench
For the good of the country, i wish them well.

On the bright side for everyone, a lot of the newly minted Dems this time around strike me as pretty centrist. Look at Webb, Reagan's Sec. of Navy, formerly a Repub, the guy does not look at all like an ultra liberal. Course, he hasn't won irrevocably yet; it's hard to imagine anyone to the left of him winning in Virginia, when you look at how narrowly he appears to be winning now.

And Tester doesn't strike me as a liberal screamer neither. Some of the Repubs in Mt. were running him down with something like, "sure he's a farmer but he's an ORGANIC farmer!"

Oh no, not that!

I'm hoping the Dem party in general will try hard to hang onto their new emergence from the sidelines by avoiding the sort of wild flamboyance and arrogance that'll end their celebration sooner than they want.

#12 11-08-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Excellent synopsis.

To me it this election is the 2nd-best outcome.

The best outcome would be for close elections to go to neither Repo nor Demo but to go to 3rd party candidates. Second best is a divided gov with at least one house in the opposition to the Executive.

I was just watching Charlie Rose and one of the talking heads made an excellent point, IMO. The Democrats need to restrain themselves from over-reaching in their newly-acquired oversight capacity. Look for legitimate grievances but for goodness sakes at least appear to avoid using the power for crass political purposes (this is the Repo transgression vs Clinton--Repos went too far).

Conversely, the Repos should remember that they gained power by being the reform party, a central point they have suppressed in the past 3-6 years in power. In the 1990's they were the cure for the problem and they stupidly became that which they sought to reform.

Bot

Yep

John Doe · #13 11-08-2006, 01:52 PM

I hate having to start this thread with, "I did not vote for Bush", but given the misunderstanding concerning Med, apparently this is important: I did not vote for Bush!!!!!!

That said, I hope all you high fivers like gridlock better than you liked a Republican house, because that is about to happen. If there were a moderate speaker rather than Pelosi, my prediction wouldn't be so dire, but that ***** is going to polarize worse than Karl Rove ever dared attempt. So congratulations, you die hard Democrats, because you won last night, but don't expect anything to change.

PS: To further define my party (not) affiliations, yesterday I voted for a Libertarian candidate for Senate, an Independant for the House and for three "liberal" judges (you can't affiliate party in judicial elections here.)

Maroon 300D · #14 11-08-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

I hate having to start this thread with, "I did not vote for Bush", but given the misunderstanding concerning Med, apparently this is important: I did not vote for Bush!!!!!!

That said, I hope all you high fivers like gridlock better than you liked a Republican house, because that is about to happen. If there were a moderate speaker rather than Pelosi, my prediction wouldn't be so dire, but that ***** is going to polarize worse than Karl Rove ever dared attempt. So congratulations, you die hard Democrats, because you won last night, but don't expect anything to change.

PS: To further define my party (not) affiliations, yesterday I voted for a Libertarian candidate for Senate, an Independant for the House and for three "liberal" judges (you can't affiliate party in judicial elections here.)

I'll happily take the bogeywoman over the current state of affairs.

John Doe · #15 11-08-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Maroon 300D

I'll happily take the bogeywoman over the current state of affairs.

You assume then, that things can't get worse. This would be a tough position for me, because I would rather have bad than worse. To each his own, I guess