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Old 11-08-2006, 12:34 PM
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This thread is unusually congenial.

As to the winning agenda, I suppose 'no agenda' is viewed to be better than the current one.

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Old 11-08-2006, 01:30 PM
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The Dem's should be giving Kudo's to Bush.
Absolutely. As much as the Dems may have won, it was the Reps to lose. Give credit where it is due.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:51 PM
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Absolutely. As much as the Dems may have won, it was the Reps to lose. Give credit where it is due.
Yep.

Howard Dean had nothing to do with it.

The Repubs shot themselves in the foot this term. Repeatedly.

...Not that the Dems haven't been guilty of the exact same thing in the past.

A plague on BOTH their houses.

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Old 11-08-2006, 08:58 PM
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...Howard Dean had nothing to do with it...
So, he's been working around the clock, deciding which races would get DNC support, and otherwise running an incredibly complicated political operation, and yet he had no effect on the outcome? Boy, the DNC must be mad to have paid him all that money.
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The Repubs shot themselves in the foot this term. Repeatedly.

...Not that the Dems haven't been guilty of the exact same thing in the past...
The Dems perfected shooting themselves in the foot, but they are not guilty of the "exact same thing" that the Republicans did to earn the thumpin (as W would say) they got yesterday. The most gratifying thing about this election is that the Republicans pulled every slimy trick in the book and it backfired on them. It restores some faith in the system.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:01 PM
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Unsurprisngly to all, I agree with MikeMover on this one.

As nearly everybody has mentioned, the Repo Congress had run-amok, promiscuously spending my money on stupid projects like that damned bridge in Alaska. The president is no fiscal conservative, either. The result is hemorrhaging my money all over the country. Lots of folks who generally vote Repo just couldn't deal with the stink so they stayed home or voted for the opposition to register dissatisfaction.

Combine that with widespread dissatisfaction with the Iraq War.

Mix thoroughly and let stand for 2 years. Pour and serve.

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Old 11-08-2006, 10:08 PM
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Just a sidenote. Take it however. When the Dems are in office and allegedly the deficit gets wiped out and they have balanced the budget.... it's "cause they are taxing the living sh** out of you.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:20 PM
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As libertarians, MikeMover and Botnst are well qualified to tell us how national elections are won. That is why their party has achieved such dominance in American politics.

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Old 11-08-2006, 10:23 PM
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As libertarians, MikeMover and Botnst are well qualified to tell us how national elections are won. That is why their party has achieved such dominance in American politics.

Point!

Someday our ship will come in and then we'll hunt down you non-believers!

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Old 11-08-2006, 10:28 PM
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The article failed to point out that we don't dig boys marrying each other either I guess new names sell print, but Blue Dog Democrats are exactly "Boll Weavils" which have been around since the '50s(right before the civil rights movement) in the South.

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Old 11-08-2006, 10:30 PM
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Just a sidenote. Take it however. When the Dems are in office and allegedly the deficit gets wiped out and they have balanced the budget.... it's "cause they are taxing the living sh** out of you.
Perhaps, but it will be because we making a *****load more money.

See it's like the person that doesn't want to invest in the stock market because they don't want to pay the taxes on the money they make. So instead they put it in their mattress. Penny-wise, pound foolish.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:40 PM
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So, he's been working around the clock, deciding which races would get DNC support, and otherwise running an incredibly complicated political operation, and yet he had no effect on the outcome? .
Yeah, is right. I guess it was Bush or luck who had Clinton show up at the Webb rally last week where 15K people attended vs. the 478 that attended the Allen party. The significant races were too close to be chalked up to Iraq, just like having Bush elected twice was too easy to chalk up to draft dodging and Jesus. I go to church with the state republican party chairman, and he works his ass off 365 days a year. 'course his predessor (a former client) got a cushy Ambassadorship after his tenure, so I guess he thinks it will pay off.
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:16 PM
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Well, apparently you've got me there. I was always reading that both you and Bot were as pro-Bush as they came. Hurrah for the war, and Hurrah for the administration. I'll have to say that I may have had you figured wrong.

(No vomit needed.)
you guys had me fooled too.

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Attention is something they should charge less for I guess.
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:26 PM
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The Times November 09, 2006

Meet the Blue Dogs: pro-gun, anti-abortion - and Democrat
By Tim Reid
Our correspondent examines how the party masterminded its move to the centre and reined in liberals to seize hostile territories


They wear cowboy boots, chew tobacco, love hunting, hate abortion, want less government spending — and some voted for Ronald Reagan. Now they are headed to Congress as Democrats.

Although the Democrats’ victory was above all an overwhelming repudiation of the conflict in Iraq, it was also built on the back of moderate, often conservative candidates recruited to compete in traditionally Republican territory.

When Congress returns in January, both the House and Senate will see something of an ideological shift, with an influx of freshmen Democrats who, while unified in their opposition to the war, are well to the right of the party’s current caucus on cultural issues.

Their success reflects a resurgence of “Blue Dog” Democrats — socially conservative but generally economic populists — across the Midwest, and a bold new strategy to target the Republican-leaning West and South West — states such as Colorado, Wyoming and New Mexico — as a way of winning back the White House in 2008.

If Jon Tester, the Democrat’s Senate candidate in Montana, wins his race against Conrad Burns — he declared victory last night but votes were still being counted — the chamber will have a Democrat who is an anti-abortion, pro-gun, three-generation farmer with a buzz cut, three missing fingers on his left hand and no big fan of Hillary Clinton.

Jim Webb, the Democrat favoured to win a probable recount in the Virginia Senate race, was Reagan’s Navy Secretary. A social conservative, he hates liberals and likes guns so much he gave one to his son at the age of 8. He champions, as he puts it, “Southern redneck culture”. A decorated Vietnam veteran, he converted to the Democrats only over his opposition to the Iraq war.

Bob Casey, who soundly defeated the Republican Rick Santorum in Pennsylvania’s Senate race, is also anti-abortion. Like many of the new Democrats, he ran a profoundly populist protectionist economic message which attracted many blue-collar “Reagan Democrats” back to the party in the Midwest, where job losses and economic pessimism combined with Iraq to make the region one of the bleakest landscapes for Republicans yesterday.

Heath Shuler, a former quarterback for the Washington Redskins, was once courted by the Republicans as a possible congressional candidate. He is anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-free trade — and is now the Democrat representative for the North Carolina 11th District.

In Indiana, a state overwhelmingly won by President Bush in 2004, three Republicans in the House of Representatives lost seats. All faced conservative Democrats. One, Brad Ellsworth, a county sheriff, is a social conservative who signed a no-tax-rise pledge during the campaign. Joe Donnelly was another cultural conservative winner in Indiana.

In Colorado, Democrats continued their push into the West with victory in the state’s gubernatorial contest, meaning the party now has a sweep of western governors stretching from Canada to Mexico, through Montana, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico.

In Kentucky, John Yarmuth, a former Republican candidate running as a Democrat, beat Anne Northup, a five-term veteran. Democrats also picked up an open seat in Republican Arizona and even unseated a Republican incumbent in Kansas — where Mr Bush won 62 per cent of the vote in 2004.

These new Democrats represent what Rahm Emanuel, the congressman who masterminded its takeover of the House, described as the future of the party, and the key to its presidential hopes. The growing belief of many Democrat strategists is that the South — the party’s base until the 1960s, but now solidly Republican — is beyond their reach, and that the future lies in targeting the Midwest and West with moderate candidates. That theory was bolstered by the defeat in Tennessee of Harold Ford. Despite running as a conservative on nearly every issue — even immigration — the black former congressman could not prevail in the one Southern senate seat in play.

The result was rich vindication for Mr Emanuel and other top Democrats who have spent two years recruiting candidates to make the party competitive in western states they had all but ceded in recent years.

Mr Emanuel and other centrists have told the incoming Democrat leadership — which is far more liberal than the new influx of moderates — that the party’s liberal wing must not dominate the agenda. The new crop of moderates will be anxious to keep the party rooted to the middle ground.

Their arrival on Capitol Hill will be one of the first early tests of the leadership skills of Nancy Pelosi who, as House Speaker, will have to forge a coalition in a party that has profound philosophical disparities.

Ironically, the greatest losses for Republicans came in the North East, the last redoubt of the party’s mainstream moderates. They were routed.
excellent article. the center is where it is at. i told my son right after the last election that the dems had to get these kind of folks to run. the repubs need centrists too. most elections are decided by the ticket splitters who occupy the political center.

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Old 11-09-2006, 01:45 AM
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As libertarians, MikeMover and Botnst are well qualified to tell us how national elections are won. That is why their party has achieved such dominance in American politics.

Actually, Libertarians (and also Libertarian-leaning Repubs, Independents, and even Dems!) now hold more state and local offices than ever before in history.

When one considers that this was accomplished IN SPITE OF the mountains of red tape, endless roadblocks, misinformation, outright lies, and countless other very real obstacles to the ballot box that are deliberately placed in their way by the two big parties... this achievement is even more impressive.

Don't stick your tongue too far out... It may get in the way of your foot someday.



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