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Old 01-02-2007, 09:26 AM
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Old 01-02-2007, 09:41 AM
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Sorry, I'm not a singer. .
Oh, man, I must have misread the question. Sorry. I am not a singer either. Played a little guitar but definitely not a singer. I can understand how people are singers right from the womb. Either you have it or you dont.
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Old 01-02-2007, 09:48 AM
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Oh, man, I must have misread the question. Sorry. I am not a singer either. Played a little guitar but definitely not a singer. I can understand how people are singers right from the womb. Either you have it or you dont.
Perhaps he was referring to the pyromaniac who lit his hair on fire. At the confessional he sez"forgive me Father for I have singed".
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Old 01-02-2007, 09:57 AM
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I think very few people will deny they saw a burning bush and heard a voice. Lots of people will question whether this was God. They will ask whether they themselves were projecting the idea of God onto whatever experience they were having.
If the self was doing it, the act of thinking the burning bush was an act of God, is sinful. The result is the dreadful realization that belief in God may itself be a sinful act.
To believe or not to believe? Both can be sinful. What should we do? Can we avoid the choice? If we choose, is it an act of will? If it is an act of will, is it an act of Self hence sinful? Lord save us.
I said, "... a buring bush moment ..." not " if you saw a burning bush talking." The difference is that I use the phrase in a metaphorical sense and it is a very important difference.

Moses saw a phenomenon that was inexplicable with the known physical world of his day. That is by definition, miraculous. So using that as a metaphor, if we had a "supernatural ectoplasmic manifestation" (thank you, Ghost-Busters!) accompanied by a communication of some sort, that were both scientifically inexplicable, how would we react? Would we deny the reality of what we had witnessed and force ourselves to conform to the "modern" consensual reality?

It is a wonderful question not unlike "The Allegory of the Cave."

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I said, "... a buring bush moment ..." not " if you saw a burning bush talking." The difference is that I use the phrase in a metaphorical sense and it is a very important difference.

Moses saw a phenomenon that was inexplicable with the known physical world of his day. That is by definition, miraculous. So using that as a metaphor, if we had a "supernatural ectoplasmic manifestation" (thank you, Ghost-Busters!) accompanied by a communication of some sort, that were both scientifically inexplicable, how would we react? Would we deny the reality of what we had witnessed and force ourselves to conform to the "modern" consensual reality?

It is a wonderful question not unlike "The Allegory of the Cave."

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I don't think a literal or metaphorical instance makes a difference. There is always the issue of how to interpret an event, miraculous or not. I'm not advocating conformity to any consensus. I'm saying to interpret an unusual or inexplicable event either in terms of God, or nature can be a creative act of the self or an acceptance of consensus views of the divinity. And, there's always the possibility of "Wow, unbelievable! I have no way of understanding that."
I don't think it it is possible to have any experience which totally excludes the possibility of asking the question, "Am I just interpreting an unusual event in terms of God?" Doubt is always present with us. There's no way to exclude the possibility that faith can be self-delusion.

Ditto the cave.
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would you believe just a shamless hussey?
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At least shameless husseys have nothing to lose.
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Would we deny the reality of what we had witnessed and force ourselves to conform to the "modern" consensual reality?

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This fellow didn't deny it.

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This fellow didn't deny it.

That's one of my all time favorite movie scenes.
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would you believe just a shamless hussey?
I must be a shameless husser. Is that the male equivalent of a hussey?
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silly sheeple....

None of you are "sinners". No such thing as sin, it's all a big scam perpetuated for thousands of years. Time to wake up.
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would you believe just a shamless hussey?
A hussey without sham would be as rare as an honest man.
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As this is as troll thread, I hope no one will object if it goes off course (a little). This is the way I get rid of Jehovah's witnesses who visit my neighborhood--ask them if they are sinners. I have only done this 3X, but have yet to get an answer, and they get frustrated when i tell them to answer the question or leave. Any Jehovah's witnesses here can explain why they won't answer the question?
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Church was by every means useless for me. Sorry, I'm not a singer. I went through confirmation classes when I was 12-13 (2 years... 2 hours a week) and that, I will say was useful. I wouldn't call myself a believer nowadays but I can still be interested in the stories and philosophies.
I met some babes at church.
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Perhaps he was referring to the pyromaniac who lit his hair on fire. At the confessional he sez"forgive me Father for I have singed".

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