Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Point conceded.There is a great social malaise,perhaps because of the ease with which our material desires can be achieved,a temporary salve,but in the end a hollow one.
Want a 40"flat screen tv?,just put it on the card,want to waste money remuddling a perfectly good house,go right ahead,get your ass in debt for a lifetime.

Never,in my 44 observant years have I seen so much waste of resources in accumulating worthless material goods,building pasteboard an plastic-covered kennels with such useless space as costs a King's ransom to heat,no wonder few people have any savings.

Is some sort of religion or spirituality the answer?well,as aught I can see whatever it be that makes one concentrate on the essentials of honesty,economy and the satisfaction of simply BEING is jake with me.


Organised religion,as we are aware,has served as the chief political stabilising and propaganda force in many nations,and as a corollary,to perhaps remind man of his true nature,which generally goes unheeded

The problem is one cannot legislate greed,lust,envy and the possibility of opportunistic theft,human nature being what it is,simply turn on the idiot box and view some advertisements that appeal to our baser {and most dominant}insticts.

My Gramps once said these things go thru cycles,he lived thru it all,the prosperity of the '20's and the comeuppance of the depression.

Each generation seems doomed{uh,predestined?}to repeat the same mistakes as previous ones.

Originally Posted by Webmaster

Ahh, based on the 3 most recent polls in this forum I can describe the population here as sinners who will likely eat cloned meat but will not vote for Hillary.

That's an interesting demographic to market to

Originally Posted by kerry edwards

Hmmmm? So the excesses of the Roman Empire lead to the development of the Christian idea of sin and we are about to see the same thing happen with the American Empire?

Originally Posted by kerry edwards

Christians typically believe that sin is putting self in place of God. Putting God in place of self leads to true happiness. Seems an awful lot like Buddhist no-self to me. Living an egoless life = living for God?

Originally Posted by Botnst

Would it be sinful to eat a cloned Hillary?

bot

Originally Posted by kerry edwards

You'd have to ask Bill. He's the only one likely to have eaten the original.

Originally Posted by Botnst

My Christian training informs me that sin is anything that separates me from God.

Can sin be generalized such that atheists can sin or is sin only for believers?

B

Originally Posted by kerry edwards

You'd have to ask Bill. He's the only one likely to have eaten the original.

Originally Posted by GermanStar

Then the ultimate sin is doubt.....

Originally Posted by Botnst

The ultimate sin would be denying God when you know god to exist. According to Jesus, that is the one unforgivable sin, IIRC.

Put another way, if you had a burning bush moment, would you return from the mountain and deny you had that moment?

B

Originally Posted by Botnst

My Christian training informs me that sin is anything that separates me from God.

Can sin be generalized such that atheists can sin or is sin only for believers?

B

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

if you believe in sin you must be by definition a sinner.

if you are a true believer, though, you will strive to live an exemplary life.

tom w

Originally Posted by Matt SD300

Jesus answered and said to them.."This is the work of God ,that you believe in Him whom He sent" (Jesus's words in red)

Originally Posted by GermanStar

It would depend on the consequences of the admission...