If We didn't Need Oil
 

If we didn't need oil what do you think we'd being going to war over?

A polital thread from you! This should get good!

I'll answer.

This war's by-product is oil. Not the purpose. It just so happens that lots of folks connected to the current admin. get rich on two fronts. Defense and oil.

Our primary reason for going to war is to protect our friend, Israel. We want the region to be stable so they are safe.

Sand. We can't continue on our national building/concrete manufacturing spree without sand. And only Middle-Eastern sand would do. Oh well, at least Saddam didn't die in vain.

Global stabalization?

50 years from now it might just be access to potable water.

Land, politics, stuff.

The same thing man has warred over since the beginning of time.

Pussy.

Listen to you, Gotta! No, no! This war is to protect human rights and further the cause of freedom. You should be ashamed of yourself for criticizing such self-sacrificing, patriots and Dick Cheney and Dubya.

No, we could care less about oil and military hardware. We just want everybody to be as happy as we are.

Mistress really has NO political opinions of any sort. No, that purdy little lady only cares about frilly new dresses, house-keeping, the latest hair styles, and things of that sort.

Okay, maybe Med is right. Yeah, it's probably really pussy.

Who is "we"? Please be more specific.

Whatever the oil equivalent is, I suppose.

He said "pussy".:silly:

Mistress doesn't do frills and I have a housekeeper.

If we could abandon Danfur and other places, do you think we would care if Israel is safe if we get what we want? Try putting the horse before the cart.

:D

The US.

Oh, come on, Aklim. Don't go gettin' all serious now. Hey, Med and I both said "pussy!" Hee Hee Hee!

There you go again. :D :D

Lets see. Oil. Rest of the world still needs it. They tank we tank.

Tanks for everyting!

Does anyone know the percentage of oil the US is exporting to Japan?

What kind of oil? Salad oil?
I don't eat my salad without olive oil, and I won't stop going to war for it. ;)

<cough> You're kidding right? </cough>

They are our friend. We will defend their safety with great resolve and the resolve our military. Why do you think otherwise?

Yes, they are our friend. The question that will be asked is "What have you done for me LATELY." If we don't need them, I doubt we will care what happens to them. But, at this time, we need them and they need us. Hence the marriage. When we don't need them or they don't need us, we will head to mexico to get a quickie divorce.

I have to ask, seriously, you really believe that?

I have to ask... what political leaders or lobby groups have anything to do with Danfur.

Now - ask yourself, the same question about Israel.

But. I have to guess that you're just joking.

I support the sand.. My sandbox is getting low.

What choo talkin bout fool? Da sandbox be always full oh heya.:cool:

For me, this war's purpose is oil and everything else is secondary.

If oil wasn't an issue those folks could fatwah each other until the camels come home and nobody'd give s *****.

B

Who is Danfur?

huh?

Danfur? Do THEY have olive oil? Who the hell are they? I say we attack Italy. They have olive oil there, don't they? Ferrari's, too! Yeehah! Salads for everybody!

you get danfur from the dan cow.

brown fur from the brown cow.......

tom w

Ask yourself this question what has had a greater impact on mankind? Pussy or Oil?

I'm not sure. At times you need the oil to get in the pussy.

:eek:

Pu-ssy..Pu-ssy..Pu-ssy. Seems a little immature I know, but really...who doesn't like pussy.:P :P

Since every war has been fought over money/assets/land (no matter what anybody says), good old fashioned money is the safe bet, but it translates into protecting out fat, sloppy, inefficient way of life. Trouble is the fat/sloppy folks are too stupid to realize it much less be the ones to do something about it.

Look at the human race and tell me. You so young that you believe friends are forever like a diamond is forever? You think I edged the grass for the lady a few doors down because she was having problems with it? Think again. She makes me cookies and I get a few good views of he goodies when chatting with her. I know I don't help out my next door neighbor because there is nothing in it for me.

Lobby all you want. Ask yourself, which has greater strategic interest for us? Can you trust the muslims any further than you can shoot them? I wouldn't. Now, if Israel falls, who controls that area? Granted the Jews are not perfect. However, I'd rather have them any day than a muslim. Look at those we have in the US armed forces and tell me you would trust them. I won't.

I help my neighbors and expect nothing in return. Am I a bad person? Why can't friends be forever? No wonder no-one likes me on this forum.

Wait a minute :eek: the chosen ones not perfect?

I believe in the phrase NILIF. Are you sure you are not getting anything in return?

Because things change, people change, interests change, needs change.

Does it matter? If you don't like you, whoever likes you doesn't matter.

Firstly, how do you know they are the chosen ones? Has this deity come out and told you so recently or is it some scribblings in a book that cannot be questioned?

Secondly, assuming they are the chosen ones, where does it say they are perfect? It says they are chosen but not said is whether they are perfect.

Well I say that Israel is our friend, and we should help obtain peace. Because all friends are good and we need to support them in the fight on terror no matter what. They are the only Democracy in the region and that makes them right no matter what.

Exactly. However, don't forget the part that says "until their usefulness runs out."

They don't have too many friends elsewhere. It's all interwoven due to the fact that people of Jewish ethnicity live mostly anywhere, but have been particularly successful in the US. Normally, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, yet the puppeteers behind the scenes have different interests and they have the power to pull the strings the way they want.
For the moment. Things can take turns at any given time.
I wouldn't necessarily depend on their friendliness; it's more like a dependency, an installment that works both ways for US and Israel.
Once again, for the moment.
It's human to see and recognize the fraction of the universe unfolding during our mortal period on this planet as ultimate, while in reality it's less than a glimpse of sorts.
Same way with this war. The dispute over the activities is going on since at least 100 years, as far as the most recent modern history goes.
Apparently to some it's even thousands of years being thrown into the picture and so it is...looking at it long term, 10, 50, 200, or even a 1000 years are nothing. It's ongoing.
Now, some make big bucks on that oil, maybe very soon there won't be anymore oil and much less, the big bucks may not even be worth anything.
In the end, it's about dominance. Luckily, at the moment US has military superiority, sharing it with Israel (reasons for that would require another thread) and that's the card being played.
When things change, things will look different and change is inevitable.
What the things will look like once they change, we probably won't see it, yet a few careful observers will always be privileged to see.

To put it simply, we need them there and they need us to support them. Just like at my job. I need the money and the company needs me to work. Can anyone tell me that they believe the first Gulf War would have gone as smoothly as it did if Israel had decided to fly a few sorties and what not into Iraq? Remember, Hussein tried to provoke them into a fight by tossing Scuds into their territory. We told them to hold off because Hussein wanted to make it a Jewish arab thing. I believe that if they had even sent a missile back, it would make things a whole lot messier. So, we need them there to hold the fort and they need us to help them out. Also we cooperate on other covert operations. For now, it is a marriage made in heaven. I don't see why we can't understand that. Now, if the arabs were to suddenly die off, well, Israel can go on it's own merry way and so can we. At that point, it will be a quickie divorce.

Which ever way it's been turned, nobody is asking us anyways.
I'm not so sure if "we need them there" was the actual intent in the first place.
Now, certainly.

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

Yet, I think they need us there more than the other way around, as far as influence goes:

On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."

You wouldn't want to argue with the late Ariel Sharon on that one :D

More here:
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

I was just kidding...:cool:
As a matter of fact, if I would be really mean I'd pull up genetical reference on a certain bloodline, showing serious imperfection.
But again, I was just kidding...:cool:

Besides, I think I sprawled enough spice on the thread...so far. :book:

Going to war to get ....laid :confused:

That's really the silliest thing I've ever heard on this board.
Of course, I don't know Mrs MedMech :eek: