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aklim · #46 01-27-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

How the hell do you know anything about my fair share of the tab, and someone else picking it up?

So tell me - How do you sleep at night after you’ve had as little government involvement as you “can get away with“ ?

Here’s how I do it. I do things like putting it all into perspective for the little world in which I live. That little world includes about 45 miles of public road that I actually drive the WVO car on. Of that 45 miles of public road, we donated $485K (and some change) to the county to have a good chunk of it resurfaced. We called it a “good for business” donation. And it was. Now - I’m also paying all the taxes you like calling me a criminal over with regard to the other gas and diesel burners we own. I do pay the registration on the WVO burner. And actually - I don’t see that much damage to the roads coming from said 300D. But - I guess that is still wrong in your mind. And, I guess it should be. And, I do admit that I will on occasion drive the car on roads that I didn’t make any damn near half a million dollar donation to have repaired, but oh well. I guess I’m just a felon on the run there. But - I do sleep ok at night thanks to my justification of it all.
Sorry. We all can’t be like you.

“Not is is not.” I don’t understand that one. But as far as the designers of my current motor....well they actually did do/design something that made it run on the stuff. Didn’t they ? May not have been their intentions, but I’ll go with the design and run it on whatever I can.

Sorry - but I don’t see pumping oil through a filter as jumping through hoops. As uptight as you appear - I can see how it would to you though. I’m sorry that you are not capable of doing anything that others might find fun, interesting, educational, or even for a good cause, if it requires such effort.

“Why do you want govt involvement?” you asked. I was always taught not to answer a question with a question, but here it is hard not to. So - Do you have any more stupid questions?

When did I say anything about wanting any government involvement? Did you not read any of the Q’s in my posts ? Are you not capable of answering the question about whether you think there will be gvnt involvement....? (I believe I already have an answer to that last one - no.)

If the devil is going to come knocking for payment for my evil way of running my car on WVO - Let him come. I’ll tell him to get in line behind a few others here, to kiss my @$$.

Yes - I’m going to continue to side step the HW taxes when it comes to that 1500 miles a year I probably put on my 300D now. I’m going to continue to drive it on roads that you probably fell I have no right to use. I’m going to continue to be a worthless felon in your eyes. I’m going to continue to justify it all in my head so that I can sleep at night. If you have any issues with this. Take them up with the government. That’s what they’re there for.
If not - get in line.

Well, it is pretty simple unless. Money from fuel tax is supposed to go to fix roads. You don't pay fuel tax like the rest of us and you use the road. Math is pretty simple. Same as running off road diesel on the road.

I don't like govt involvement because it usually comes back to bite us in the end. Think about it for a min. Take any good idea and try make it law. See all the other BS that gets added into it and we pay for it. That is why I don't like govt involvement.

Summed up in a word: Rationalization. If I were to do something illegal like stealing, I just admit I am a thief. If I can live with it, fine. If not, I won't do it.

It should read "No it is not". You said it was originally designed to run WVO or SVO. It is not designed to do that. RD may have designed his motor to do it but ours was not. Yes, it can run WVO or SVO but that is not what it was designed to do.

No, I don't find it interesting at all to go collect the stuff, filter it, pump it, etc, etc. Once or twice, maybe. To make a comitment to do the entire process again and again, it will get old to me.

I was taught many things but I kept what I wanted and tossed the rest. Kinda like the stupid phrase "I was brought up this way."

You asked: What do you think may be done by our government regarding us alternative fuel makers, and when? I read the question wrong. I apologize. However, you are right. Nothing will be done. It will take care of itself. Biodiesel plants are opening up here and there. Sooner or later, the free oil will dry up and that might happen long before govt takes a hand in it. Thankfully so because all they will do is add complication to any matter.

I meant to say that if you want govt involvement, it always comes with a steep price. See above for why I said that.

Never said you were a worthless felon. I don't know your status nor do I care. If you want to tell yourself all sorts of tripe so you can sleep better at night because you don't have the stones to see the facts for what they are, so be it. At least that is one less user of Ambien or Lunesta.

Yes, I have done unethical and immoral things in my life. Doing them and will still do them. Difference is that I don't rationalize to make myself sound good. I know what I am and what I did. Take theft for example. I steal, therefore I am a thief. I don't tell myself that I stole only $50 and that guy won't miss it. I don't tell myself that I could be doing worse. I just look at it plainly and simply that I am a thief. Either I will mend my ways or I will live with the fact that I am a thief. I don't sugar coat things.

aklim · #47 01-27-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

So how do you feel about gas/electric hybrids ? When they are driving down the road on the batteries, they are “wrecking the roads and not paying for the fixing“. Are they not? Or do you justify it with the gas being used in charging the batteries? Also - The owner isn’t paying any highway taxes via their electric bill when it comes to fully electric cars either. What about that? Could be as many of those out there as WVO burners.

Hell, I do pay the taxes when I buy the RUG to mix in my WVO. And at a <20mpg consumption rate, I’m quite often (if not always) paying more HW taxes per miles of road wrecked than most of the hybrids at 50mpg.
Damn - How can those people sleep at night?

And to think, our government even gave a lot of them incentives to do it.

With your last line, you have just given the answer to your question. I'm sure that in the case of WVO and SVO, govt sanction wasn't present as it is with hybrid, elec, or whatever is out there. I don't know why you think I would justify this, that or the other. I'm not into rationalizing, justification or whatever you want to call it. I may lie, cheat or steal from others but I will always be honest with myself. I don't hide facts from myself. I don't try convince myself that what I am doing is ok or not as bad as others or whatever is in between. If I make a C on my test, I don't say I am better than the guy who got a D or C- or F. I made a C. Plain and simple. If I got lost trying to find a specific place, I am not going for a nice ride, scenic tour or whatever. I got lost and it is not desirable.

Yes, but to be specific, you DON'T pay taxes on the WVO part of your fuel. Maybe you wreck the road more or less than hybrid owners. So what? That is not the point is it? They have been given clearance because the govt wants to be able to say "I care about the environment, alternative fuel, etc, etc". You, OTOH, haven't.

Austin85 · #48 01-27-2007, 11:26 PM

Thanks for ruining my thread guys...........

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Palangi · #49 01-27-2007, 11:39 PM

Dood, when you start a thread on OD, there is an outside chance that not everyone is going to agree with you. Learn to deal with it.

WVOtoGO · #50 01-27-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

Dood, when you start a thread on OD, there is an outside chance that not everyone is going to agree with you. Learn to deal with it.

Outside chance?

Let's think about that for a minute. It's a given.

Palangi · #51 01-27-2007, 11:52 PM

I know, I just wanted to break it to him gently. You know,,, compassionate conservative and all that...

WVOtoGO · #52 01-28-2007, 12:07 AM

Aklim -
You could have stopped when I said “Sure”...but that was not the plan was it? Neither was mature conversation. And - Who the hell’s hiding facts from themselves?
Anyway - It’s become pretty obvious that you just want to tell me how I think, and not have any type of open discussion about the issue at hand. I’ve got one warning for claiming you have your head..., so I‘ll just leave that out this time.
BTW - I don’t have to justify myself to anyone here. Haven’t felt I have to either. I’m just throwing out some facts on the issue. You do. I say sure, and it‘s not as convenient, and it’s not paying HW taxes, and.........(Well, I guess you missed all that.)
How about you come up with some mature conversation on the topic and the questions I’ve posted? And - How about you come up with the written version (link will be fine) of the law I’m breaking? I’m not saying there isn’t one. I’ve only seen it mentioned in the NYT article though. I’d like to read the law. Until then (and maybe afterwards) I’ll call my WVO an additive to the RUG that I pay taxes on and mix it with. Additives are legal right? “Fact of the matter” that.
So - Unless you actually plan on answering any of my questions with mature conversation and views (i.e. Other than telling me how I think.)- Go have a drink somewhere. Calm down. Break the laws. Admit it to yourself. Be fine with that...... (Damn - sounds like you’ve got a lot more justifying to do than I ever have....) etc. etc.
What a hypocrite. But at least an entertaining one. (Not a personal attack. Just a fact based on given evidence here.)

For anyone else -
So what about all the propane burners out there? Many of those are even Government owned. What’s up with them (non-Gvmnt ones, in relation to HW taxes, etc ?

And Palangi - I confess that I only turn into an extremist whacko leftist / Marxist stating the political views of some of the alternative fuel crowd when someone calls me a scofflaw without the facts to back it up, or to cover the obvious hypocritical BS so obvious to this topic. Sorry guys, that ain't gonna change anytime soon, so get used it.

And Austin - Sorry about your thread. Yes, she is a babe. The veggie oil in the car is pretty cool too if you can get past the tax issues. Sorry I missed the interview. She’s 22. I’d take her dumpster diving too, if I wasn’t happily married.

Looks like nobody wants to discuss the issues I’ve posted. So - I’m done.

WVOtoGO · #53 01-28-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

compassionate conservative and all that...

I'll try to remember that....

Austin85 · #54 01-28-2007, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

Dood, when you start a thread on OD, there is an outside chance that not everyone is going to agree with you. Learn to deal with it.

Yo Homey; I am not concerned about these 2 wackos disagreeing with me about anything. They are just so off topic and argumentative. There should be a separate catagory called "GLOVES OFF" on MB Forum where there are no MOds & 2 guys can just go at it.....

All I was doing with this thread was pointing out that some hottie is driving a greaser MB. It wasn't an opinion. So no one disagreed with me.

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aklim · #55 01-28-2007, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

You could have stopped when I said “Sure”...but that was not the plan was it? Neither was mature conversation. And - Who the hell’s hiding facts from themselves?

Anyway - It’s become pretty obvious that you just want to tell me how I think, and not have any type of open discussion about the issue at hand.

I’ve got one warning for claiming you have your head..., so I‘ll just leave that out this time.

BTW - I don’t have to justify myself to anyone here. Haven’t felt I have to either. I’m just throwing out some facts on the issue. You do. I say sure, and it‘s not as convenient, and it’s not paying HW taxes, and.........(Well, I guess you missed all that.)

How about you come up with some mature conversation on the topic and the questions I’ve posted?

And - How about you come up with the written version (link will be fine) of the law I’m breaking? I’m not saying there isn’t one. I’ve only seen it mentioned in the NYT article though. I’d like to read the law. Until then (and maybe afterwards) I’ll call my WVO an additive to the RUG that I pay taxes on and mix it with. Additives are legal right? “Fact of the matter” that.

So - Unless you actually plan on answering any of my questions with mature conversation and views (i.e. Other than telling me how I think.)- Go have a drink somewhere. Calm down. Break the laws. Admit it to yourself. Be fine with that...... (Damn - sounds like you’ve got a lot more justifying to do than I ever have....) etc. etc.

What a hypocrite. But at least an entertaining one. (Not a personal attack. Just a fact based on given evidence here.)

And you could have put me on "ignore" too. What of it? There was no plan one way or the other. Guess I'll have to look to you for maturity in the future.

I don't hide inconvenient facts from myself. Nothing about whether you do or not.

You made a statement, I made a comment. What of it?

Not even sure what you are saying here.

Didn't

Mature, meaning what? That I agree with your position?

Additive? characterized by, being, or producing effects (as drug responses or gene products) that when the causative factors act together are the sum of their individual effects. So what is the effect of the individual effect of RUG on the engine? Did I ever say you were breaking a law? I didn't. All I said was that somebody else was paying for your share of the road repair that you are not paying. If you are uncomfortable with that, I cannot help it. Propane boosts the power of diesel fuel in an diesel engine. I can do without propane. Can you do without WVO and just have RUG in the tank? But hey, you can call WVO an additive and feel you don't break the the law or the spirit of the law if you so choose.

What questions that I didn't answer? Why don't you give me the answer you want me to say so I can say it and sound mature to you?

Hypocrite? a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue. How so? By pointing out uncomfortable items to you? I don't say I am virtuous. Quite the contrary. Guess you missed the part where I said I have been immoral, am immoral and will be immoral in my life. I know I am immoral. I am perfectly willing to live with it.

aklim · #56 01-28-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85

All I was doing with this thread was pointing out that some hottie is driving a greaser MB. It wasn't an opinion. So no one disagreed with me.

I wouldn't kick her out of bed. I'd jump in with her if I had the chance. Not the fondest of her facial wise but I can work with it.

WVOtoGO · #57 01-28-2007, 11:20 AM

All we got from you was how alternative fuel users (me in particular) weren’t paying their/my fair share. And, how we/I justified it.
I asked about government intervention, hybrids, propane burners (not as an additive, but as fuel in converted gas engines) and you went on and on about me not paying my fair share and how I come up with things in my head to justify it all. And how that’s what I do to sleep at night. Like I’m fooling myself and should be ashamed.
Then you give us some run on about how you can do the poor/wrong/illegal thing and can be/are ok with it. That sounds a bit hypocritical. But maybe that’s just me.

Obviously you just wanted to throw crap at me about being a bad person for what I do and how I think to justify it all. That’s a bit immature. But again, maybe that’s just me.

I wanted open discussion regarding a few questions I posted. You just wanted to fight.
Sorry if I didn’t just jump in with you having your head up your ass again. Perhaps that's what you wanted.
I just wanted you to shut up with the “not paying their fair share crap” and answer some questions. With your own thoughts, that sure as hell don’t have to agree with mine. That’s why it’s called “OPEN discussion”.
I guess you’re not capable of that. Sorry I ever asked.

I know you’ll have to get in the last words here. Go for it. I’m not wasting any more of my time with you here. Maybe in the future, someone else will address the issues with mature open discussion. Maybe not. We'll have to wait and see.

Austin - Your thread went off topic long before I came into it. I simply posted a remark that was the other side of the pro/con coin. Then I asked simple questions. I tried to get some answers, opinions, whatever. Some “wacko” just kept giving me the whatever. Little to no answers or opinions on the questions. Sorry about your thread. Just sit back and laugh at it all. That’s about all I can do with it.

(If you want - PM me your first name. Next time we move her, I'll get an autograph for you.)

aklim · #58 01-28-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

All we got from you was how alternative fuel users (me in particular) weren’t paying their/my fair share. And, how we/I justified it.

Like I’m fooling myself and should be ashamed.

Then you give us some run on about how you can do the poor/wrong/illegal thing and can be/are ok with it. That sounds a bit hypocritical. But maybe that’s just me.

Obviously you just wanted to throw crap at me about being a bad person for what I do and how I think to justify it all. That’s a bit immature. But again, maybe that’s just me.

I just wanted you to shut up with the “not paying their fair share crap” and answer some questions. With your own thoughts, that sure as hell don’t have to agree with mine. That’s why it’s called “OPEN discussion”.
I guess you’re not capable of that. Sorry I ever asked.

I know you’ll have to get in the last words here. Go for it. I’m not wasting any more of my time with you here. Maybe in the future, someone else will address the issues with mature open discussion. Maybe not. We'll have to wait and see.

Yes, I noticed it hit a sore spot with your one line retort and justification about how good it was for not this, that or the other. Tell me what I said was not true if you can.

Did I say anything about being ashamed?

I think that is just you. I never said anything about illegal. Puting words in my mouth again, I see. I'm saying that while I do immoral things, I don't rationalize them. Do you recall the first thing you said after I mentioned the road taxes?

Thought I did. You can restate them if you wish. Being oh so matured and all that.

Guess we can't have a mature discussion since I don't agree with you and therefore too immature.

Tho I am not sure how maturity comes into play at all.

WVOtoGO · #59 01-28-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yes, I noticed it hit a sore spot with your one line retort and justification about how good it was for not this, that or the other. Tell me what I said was not true if you can.

Did I say anything about being ashamed?

I think that is just you. I never said anything about illegal. Puting words in my mouth again, I see. I'm saying that while I do immoral things, I don't rationalize them. Do you recall the first thing you said after I mentioned the road taxes?

Thought I did. You can restate them if you wish. Being oh so matured and all that.

Guess we can't have a mature discussion since I don't agree with you and therefore too immature.

Tho I am not sure how maturity comes into play at all.

LMAO

Has anyone ever informed you that your Reading Comprehension skills suck?

I’m not sure what school you’re either at (assuming you're in school from the grade comment) or when to.
What I do know is that I’d like add it to the list with Rutgers, and make damn sure my kids don’t go there.

Sorry guys - just had to lower myself for one more.

WVOtoGO · #60 01-28-2007, 09:26 PM

With a quick search of the net. One finds a zillion Government related topics regarding the issues of burning WVO and Bio-fuels in vehicles. The possibility of discussion topics is endless. Starting with the posts regarding Hollywood big mouths to government intervention, taxation, etc.

Here’s just a few:

Biodiesel B100 to B20 are approved. Why not WVO?
40VRF With regard to altered fuel systems.
EPA Title 40, modifications to fuel delivery systems.
EPA approved OBDII sensors bypassing.
HW tax exemptions for limited WVO users.
WVO/SVO as an additive, not a fuel.
State and local laws regarding Alternative fuel usage.
Biodiesel tax credits to producers.
Hybrid tax exemptions.
Alternative fuel experimentation exemptions. (TX has a good one)
4th dimension fuels as an EPA certified grease car converter.
ASTM standard 6571 for WVO and Bio fuel producers.
Motor fuel taxes for CNG and LPG vehicles collected through annual sticker permit fees.
Other alternative fuel taxes collected through annual permit fees.

It may have been a massive hijack of this thread. However, I would have loved a little open discussion of the issues. Maybe next time. New thread, of course.

All Rejoice - For I am off to AK for a week of cold-ass fly’n.

DJ may be popping in and out here. Not me.