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Matt SD300 · #31 05-18-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

Der Altgesell ist froh und lacht,
Weil ihm die erste Maß gebracht.

Der Stoff ist sehr zu loben,
Drum wird sofort der Krug gehoben.

Schlupp! rinnt das Bier durch seine Kehle
Auf einmal in die heiße Seele.

"Was ist denn das?" - denkt er erschreckt,
"Daß dieses so abscheulich schmeck?"

Da hat er es. O, Schreck und Graus!
Ha! welch abscheul'che, tote Maus!

Ja, ja! - Kaum will man sich erfreun,
So kommt gleich was Fatales drein!

Typical response from a South American German....I'm not talking about the cartoon...but your superior attitude (figure this out?)...kinda like...the Nazi party mindset....

Hatterasguy · #32 05-18-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

You don't know what's been said, unless you understand Arabic on an advanced level.
All you know is what's been translated to you. A translation designed to make the US population understand what they are 'supposed' to understand.

Yep I'm sure they are totaly innocent, those poor Palestinians always getting picked on.

I wish I stayed in touch with one of my professors I had a couple years ago. She worked for the Rand Corperation, I could have had that video translation confirmed.

Hatterasguy · #33 05-18-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

The Palestinian Prime minister disavowed what the Mickey Mouse character on Al-Aqsa TV said, plain and simple, it seems to me. The media simply reported that fact.

And HE understands Arabic pretty well, reads it and writes it as well as speaks it. He's pretty sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, too.

I just picked the German paper Der Speigel as the first one I saw on Google, that's all.

It's the same story on MSMBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18580878/ His disavowal was widely reported, I saw it on BBC World news also.

Understanding Arabic might be very helpful in parsing out the subtle nuances
of what is being said, it's true, but not always needed to get the basic message.

I don't think the Israelis need to understand Arabic to get the message when rockets are being lobbed at them from the Gaza strip.

Will it would probably require a good understand of Arabic to know the difference between say, Kill jews, and Killed a jew, the message is still the same.

Of course the Prime Minister is going to defend it, Joseph Goebbels defended the Nazi's till his death as well.

LaRondo · #34 05-18-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

Typical response from a South American German....I'm not talking about the cartoon...but your superior attitude (figure this out?)...kinda like...the Nazi party mindset....

I recommend adjusting your assumptions. To be more precise: stick to your 'religious doctrines'.
Apperently you aren't able to tell a South American from a German, much less a 'Nazi party mindset' from either one.
I'm sorry for not pleading "I'm stupid".
Before you go any further, you should consult your 'religious indoctrinators' on your own behaviourism.
If you have a problem with individuals having individual understandings of what's going on in the environment around them, just keep singing the 'choir tune'.

LaRondo · #35 05-18-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Will it would probably require a good understand of Arabic to know the difference between say, Kill jews, and Killed a jew, the message is still the same.

Of course the Prime Minister is going to defend it, Joseph Goebbels defended the Nazi's till his death as well.

I don't see what Goebbels and the Nazis have to do with this.

But I do see a pile of prejudice, as soon as somebody comes up with a view other than your own.

I never supported nor defended anyone or anybody.

It's you raving in your personal asssumptions and the way you like to look at it.

Hatterasguy · #36 05-18-2007, 07:19 PM

I'm not raving. You think it was translated incorrectly and is a totaly innocent kids show. Am I correct on this count?

I think it says exactly what the translation claims or damn near it, and the Prime minister is covering.

So since neither one of us can speak Arabic, thats it I guess.

Matt SD300 · #37 05-18-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

I recommend adjusting your assumptions. To be more precise: stick to your 'religious doctrines'.
Apperently you aren't able to tell a South American from a German, much less a 'Nazi party mindset' from either one.
I'm sorry for not pleading "I'm stupid".
Before you go any further, you should consult your 'religious indoctrinators' on your own behaviourism.
If you have a problem with individuals having individual understandings of what's going on in the environment around them, just keep singing the 'choir tune'.

Hit a nerve.... did I ?? ...Ouch!!!..

Chris Bell · #38 05-18-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by soypwrd

Everyone is pumping full out now, and loosing capacity. Perhaps you might want to do a little research.

And heres where you can do the research..
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ipm/supply.html
According to the EIA world production peaked in July 2006 at 85,424,000 barrels per day. That level of production has not been attained since. Additionally, production of over 85 million barrels/day (on a monthly average) was attained only three times. Yes, as oil get more expensive other sources of crude will begin to get economically feasible. Thats not in question, what is in question is whether the new sources coming online will provide enough oil to offset the loses from declining oil fields elsewhere. Keep in mind that Mexico's Cantrell oil field is dying, Saudi Arabia'a Garhwar field is dying. I think the Saudi's now have to pump almost three million gallons per day of seawater into the Gahrwar field to keep well pressure up. Thats a sure sign that the field is dying. In addition, every day the Saudi's do this, what is being pumped back out is more and more seawater and less oil. Meanwhile...demand keeps going up and up. Drastic changes will be happening sooner than we think, and we'll have no way to stop them.

AustinsCE · #39 05-19-2007, 12:18 AM

A lot of the garbage from California is like asphalt when the steam lines get a leak.

LaRondo · #40 05-19-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

I'm not raving. You think it was translated incorrectly and is a totaly innocent kids show. Am I correct on this count?

I think it says exactly what the translation claims or damn near it, and the Prime minister is covering.

So since neither one of us can speak Arabic, thats it I guess.

Good, you're not raving.
I tried to stay objective on the subject, the same way I try hard not to lean to either side.
In other words, I don't think it was an innocent kids show.
No, it was deliberate propaganda and the basic tendency of the message can most likely be interpreted as it was. I can't verify that, I don't understand the language.
In order to take an accurate account on what is being proposed, we would have to walk in the shoes of those being involved in the scenario.

Even if the language is understood, it doesn't mean it is understood what drives human to those actions. We think we understand. That's about it.

Speaking of the fact that this propaganda is produced as a kids show, regardless of its interpretation, its definitely out of bounds and unacceptable.

Then again, I'm not them and they are not me.

Point in view is, we are completely relying on translation. We are not even thinking about the fact that it's been translated. We just take it in.

On a personal note, I am very sick and tired of what's going on there. Since a long time. And it's going on long before you or I have even been born.

It impacts our lives, even though we're not living there. Also, it is nearly impossible to look away from it, which makes it more bothersome.

The most devastating fact above all, is the failure of human kind to square things out.

LaRondo · #41 05-19-2007, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

Hit a nerve.... did I ?? ...Ouch!!!..

I could ask you the same, referring to my previous post in this thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showpost.php?p=1505757&postcount=13

My answer is, yes and no.

Yes, because I would have to weigh your attempt, to launch one of your insults, as bottomless stupid.
Why? Just because you figured somewhere down the line that I speak or understand German (I don't know where you get the South American impression from?) and your capability of calculating 1+1= "Nazi-mindset" appears to me as very narrow-minded.
To be assessed by such narrow-mindedness or even drawn into comparison by it, doesn't sit very well with me. You're right on that one.

No, and this is why I can forgive you

because I know, you're not clear of what you're talking about.

Let me give you little insight.

There are few things I genuinely oppose. One of those things is what I call "Uniform Thinking" in the sense of what is mostly known as "collective thinking". Generally speaking.
Now, I'm sure you understand, what you call "Nazi Mindset" has to be based on "uniform thinking" (in the truest sense of the word).
I have a proven track record for opposing 'Collective (Uniform)Thinking'
In fact, I'm being hired, employed and paid for "Thinking out of the Box".
Trust me, I'm not kidding.

I'd like to take it a step further.

America, as we all know it, is very dear to me. It is closer to my chest than you will ever know.
If there is such a thing as "The promised Land", America is it, too me.
I treat it as such. I respected the soil and it's inhabitants. I am concerned with it.

Now there are people, who claim to know about "Love", about "God", about "value systems" and whatever doctrine will lead humanity into the future.
The same people have set standards, trying to elevate those standards to "Status Quo" and encourage everybody to join into it.
It even goes as far as: 'either you're with us or against us', not even wanting to leave an alternative of choice.

Does that sound familiar?

America, used to be the land of entrepreneurs, inventors, innovators, people who can stand on their own 2 feet, their own understanding of what's right or wrong ... in their own backyard.

Americans as individuals, didn't need 'doctrines' to lead them into the future.
They didn't need others to tell them about a 'biblical obligation' or unwavering support for another entity.

Americans were fearless, no sign of 'angst', they used to be able to handle their emotions, not being afraid about tomorrow.

I could go on this way …

Coming back to topic.
I understand, for a shocking majority, Germans equal Nazis, they can’t even be blamed for it, they’re educated that way.

The same way people are being educated about an entity having a historical claim on a certain piece of land…

… or being educated about the prophecy of “The war to end all wars”.

Just imagine:
A Native American would one day show up at your door and tell you to leave, because his/her ancestors owned the piece of land your house is sitting on !?
Even better:
Since you’re in California, let’s make it a Mexican who is showing up at your doorstep, presenting the same claim!

I hope you appreciate the time I take to communicate this to you, despite what you call “superior attitude’. I don't do this with everybody

I’m not holding any grudges,

but try and have your wife drive a ‘run-down chalupa’ instead of the 300SD, see what she says.

This 300SD is build with an attitude of superiority. Figure?

BTW, I am partially Italian, hence my first name. Are you going to accuse me of a ‘Cosa Nostra mind set’?

Hatterasguy · #42 05-19-2007, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaRondo

Good, you're not raving.
I tried to stay objective on the subject, the same way I try hard not to lean to either side.
In other words, I don't think it was an innocent kids show.
No, it was deliberate propaganda and the basic tendency of the message can most likely be interpreted as it was. I can't verify that, I don't understand the language.
In order to take an accurate account on what is being proposed, we would have to walk in the shoes of those being involved in the scenario.

Even if the language is understood, it doesn't mean it is understood what drives human to those actions. We think we understand. That's about it.

Speaking of the fact that this propaganda is produced as a kids show, regardless of its interpretation, its definitely out of bounds and unacceptable.

Then again, I'm not them and they are not me.

Point in view is, we are completely relying on translation. We are not even thinking about the fact that it's been translated. We just take it in.

On a personal note, I am very sick and tired of what's going on there. Since a long time. And it's going on long before you or I have even been born.

It impacts our lives, even though we're not living there. Also, it is nearly impossible to look away from it, which makes it more bothersome.

The most devastating fact above all, is the failure of human kind to square things out.

Well I think we agree then, thats about what I was thinking.

I am tired of that whole mess as well, I wish they would just settle it one way or the other so the world can move on. But sadly I think my great grandkids will be having this debate as well.

Matt SD300 · #43 05-19-2007, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaRondo

I could ask you the same, referring to my previous post in this thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showpost.php?p=1505757&postcount=13

My answer is, yes and no.

Yes, because I would have to weigh your attempt, to launch one of your insults, as bottomless stupid.
Why? Just because you figured somewhere down the line that I speak or understand German (I don't know where you get the South American impression from?) and your capability of calculating 1+1= "Nazi-mindset" appears to me as very narrow-minded.
To be assessed by such narrow-mindedness or even drawn into comparison by it, doesn't sit very well with me. You're right on that one.

No, and this is why I can forgive you

because I know, you're not clear of what you're talking about.

Let me give you little insight.

There are few things I genuinely oppose. One of those things is what I call "Uniform Thinking" in the sense of what is mostly known as "collective thinking". Generally speaking.
Now, I'm sure you understand, what you call "Nazi Mindset" has to be based on "uniform thinking" (in the truest sense of the word).
I have a proven track record for opposing 'Collective (Uniform)Thinking'
In fact, I'm being hired, employed and paid for "Thinking out of the Box".
Trust me, I'm not kidding.

I'd like to take it a step further.

America, as we all know it, is very dear to me. It is closer to my chest than you will ever know.
If there is such a thing as "The promised Land", America is it, too me.
I treat it as such. I respected the soil and it's inhabitants. I am concerned with it.

Now there are people, who claim to know about "Love", about "God", about "value systems" and whatever doctrine will lead humanity into the future.
The same people have set standards, trying to elevate those standards to "Status Quo" and encourage everybody to join into it.
It even goes as far as: 'either you're with us or against us', not even wanting to leave an alternative of choice.

Does that sound familiar?

America, used to be the land of entrepreneurs, inventors, innovators, people who can stand on their own 2 feet, their own understanding of what's right or wrong ... in their own backyard.

Americans as individuals, didn't need 'doctrines' to lead them into the future.
They didn't need others to tell them about a 'biblical obligation' or unwavering support for another entity.

Americans were fearless, no sign of 'angst', they used to be able to handle their emotions, not being afraid about tomorrow.

I could go on this way …

Coming back to topic.
I understand, for a shocking majority, Germans equal Nazis, they can’t even be blamed for it, they’re educated that way.

The same way people are being educated about an entity having a historical claim on a certain piece of land…

… or being educated about the prophecy of “The war to end all wars”.

Just imagine:
A Native American would one day show up at your door and tell you to leave, because his/her ancestors owned the piece of land your house is sitting on !?
Even better:
Since you’re in California, let’s make it a Mexican who is showing up at your doorstep, presenting the same claim!

I hope you appreciate the time I take to communicate this to you, despite what you call “superior attitude’. I don't do this with everybody

I’m not holding any grudges,

but try and have your wife drive a ‘run-down chalupa’ instead of the 300SD, see what she says.

This 300SD is build with an attitude of superiority. Figure?

BTW, I am partially Italian, hence my first name. Are you going to accuse me of a ‘Cosa Nostra mind set’?

First off...A+... for the well written paper!!!

...It reminds me of a past president of the USA...Bill Clinton...Kinda like....

I never inhaled.......

Or....

It depends on what the meaning of is...is....?????????????

Or best of all...............

Listen to me carefully...I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMEN!!!!.......

.....LOL...

That said...I'm no fan of Bush either (maybe the worst president yet?)

Lets just say I know where you are coming from......... BS.. RULES!!!...........

LaRondo · #44 05-22-2007, 01:09 AM

Matt SD300 · #45 05-22-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo