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Old 09-20-2007, 10:45 PM
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1. I agree and FISA has always permitted that.

2. Dunno.
1. And that answers the question.

2. I believe the law was recently expanded to unequivocally allow for warrant-less tapping of those sorts of communication.

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Old 09-20-2007, 10:53 PM
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S.C. mom scoops al-Qaida with its videos
By SAGAR MEGHANI, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 20, 7:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Once her son is off to school, Laura Mansfield settles in at her dining room table with her laptop and begins trolling Arabic-language message boards and chat rooms popular with jihadists.

Fluent in Arabic, the self-employed terror analyst often hacks into the sites, translates the material, puts it together and sends her analysis via a subscription service to intelligence agencies, law enforcement and academics.

Occasionally she comes across a gem, such as when she found a recent Osama bin Laden video — before al-Qaida had announced it.

"I realized, oh my gosh, I'm sitting here, I'm a fat 50-year-old mom and I've managed to scoop al-Qaida," said Mansfield, who uses that name as a pseudonym because she receives death threats.

She sometimes spends 100 hours a week online, and she often finds items after word has begun spreading on the Arabic forums of an imminent release.

"It's really important to understand what the jihadists think and how they're planning on doing things," she said. "They're very vocal. They tell us what they're going to do and then they go out and do it."

Mansfield tips off her intelligence sources when she does find something new, part of an informal working relationship with the government.

"When I send them something, it's welcome," she said. "They thank me."

There have been times when an impending video release has kept her from a planned shopping trip with her daughter.

"It gets really challenging when you're trying to do that and cook spaghetti at the same time," she said.
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:57 PM
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The real fear here is that the unfettered power will be abused and turned agianst POITICAL enemies instead of the other type.

Not too big a stretch when you consider what Nixon was doing back in the seventies.

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That states PRECISELY the unassailable argument against it.

It is VERY cogent and relevant when you consider the curreent administration's willingness to politicize the U.S Justice Department in the way Alberto Gonzalez did it to serve the Republican party agenda.
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1. And that answers the question.

2. I believe the law was recently expanded to unequivocally allow for warrant-less tapping of those sorts of communication.
#2, fine.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:03 PM
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Is it okay to treat all people who look a certain way or worship a certain way as though they might be a danger to society?


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I said nothing about looks or religion. I see nothing wrong with profiling foreign nationals from countries that have cultures that teach and encourage hatred towards America and west. Pressure those countries to clean up their act if they want to be treated like civilized and trusted visitors. You know what countries I'm referring too, their well known for educating and promoting intolerence for our culture and religions.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:04 PM
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Racial profiling of Arab-looking men carrying boxcutters?
Absolutely. Positively. Especially them.


Political correctness is the pernicious poison that demands profiling of 80 year old blonde, (or gray haired) blue eyed, Norwegian-American grandmothers to quell the braying of those who scream "ooooooooh, it is racial profiling!!"
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:08 PM
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May I assume that nobody has ever tried blowing you up before?
It is probably pretty safe to assume that MBlovr is not a "life size inflatable sex doll with pubic hair so real that you cannot tell the difference"
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The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.
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Throughout our history, when rights have been eroded, it started with foreigners and/or minorities. Once you make the compromise, it's nearly impossible to to stem the advance, let alone reverse it.







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Racial profiling of Arab-looking men carrying boxcutters?
I would prefer the focus of that profiling be the boxcutters.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:35 AM
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The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.
--James Madison

Throughout our history, when rights have been eroded, it started with foreigners and/or minorities. Once you make the compromise, it's nearly impossible to to stem the advance, let alone reverse it.
If it is so difficult to go back why are'nt the Japanese still in interment camps?
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I said nothing about looks or religion. I see nothing wrong with profiling foreign nationals from countries that have cultures that teach and encourage hatred towards America and west...
How do you profile without considering looks?
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:51 AM
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Absolutely. Positively. Especially them.


Political correctness is the pernicious poison that demands profiling of 80 year old blonde, (or gray haired) blue eyed, Norwegian-American grandmothers to quell the braying of those who scream "ooooooooh, it is racial profiling!!"
I have always found the evils of political correctness to be overblown. More pernicious, IMO, has been the way racial profiling and similar practices have been abused by police. So, don't blame the PC police for the restrictions on racial profiling. Blame the racists and the zealots within the law enforcement community. They are a minority within that community, but a minority that will probably never go away.
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I don't mind snooping if it keeps me from being blown up.
What he said.

And I'll trump that Franklin with a Lincoln....

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide. The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum,of Springfield, Illinois (January 27, 1838), p. 109
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If it is so difficult to go back why are'nt the Japanese still in interment camps?
Ask them how easy that was.
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A fellow artist friend of mine put it quit simply "The Only Security You Have Is What's Between Your Ears." Bruce The Sculpture Guy From Tallahassee, FSU.
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. . . "The Only Security You Have Is What's Between Your Ears." . . . .
Sometime even that can be questionable.

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