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LaRondo 09-27-2007 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels (Post 1630893)
If you read the Iranian papers you can see that they have perfected the pseudo-free press. They can print about scandals in the Majles, about corruption in the government, social issues, etc but they can NEVER print an unkind word about the SUPREME LEADER or the IRGC. It gives the people a feeling of having a real investigative press that can act freely when they don't. Oh yeah, they have to toe the line about Palestine/Israel, the USA, and the war in Iraq...

Read the Tehran Times it can be a hoot sometimes.

www.tehrantimes.com

Interesting.
I just took a quick peek. So, this is an official translation, I suppose.
Media politics are truly striking.

Botnst 09-27-2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by peragro (Post 1630682)
^^^troll


(how do you say that in hebrew?)

"D'eath Toam e rica." Oh wait, that's Arabic.

BENZ-LGB 09-27-2007 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo (Post 1630814)
If you would eventually come up with something from which anyone could learn anything, maybe.

To educate a troll would be akin to trying to teach a pig manners. Fun to try, but eventually not possible. So why bother? Capice paisan?

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Originally Posted by LaRondo (Post 1630814)
Nice recipe!

I thought the recipe would appeal to a troll used to feeding at the trough.

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Originally Posted by LaRondo (Post 1630814)
The best idea you probably ever had. Congrats!

Oh I have a few others, but I agree that ignoring trolls is always a good idea.

cmac2012 09-27-2007 05:57 PM

I'm not going to lead any cheers for the Iranian govt. The big question is, how do you encourage it to get better? Bush and fellow geniuses subscribed to the theory that once a few of the bad apples at the top are eliminated, the oppressed masses will at last have the chance to do much better and will embrace the Jeffersonian democracy they've been yearning for.

The militarists tirelessly point out that post WW2, G and J embraced much better forms of governance. Yes but both nations suffered a serious humbling which they clearly had coming. From such things comes soul searching. Nothing remotely like that happened in Iraq and will almost certainly not in Iran, if Uncle Dick were to get his way.

Far easier to take steps to reform current leaders than to blow up the hydra headed beast into 1,000 pieces, all of which can and probably will reconstitute themselves into serious trouble, trouble greater than what we faced initially.

LaRondo 09-28-2007 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB (Post 1630966)
To educate a troll would be akin to trying to teach a pig manners. Fun to try, but eventually not possible. So why bother? Capice paisan?



I thought the recipe would appeal to a troll used to feeding at the trough.



Oh I have a few others, but I agree that ignoring trolls is always a good idea.

Enjoy your family's anniversary celebration.

BENZ-LGB 09-28-2007 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo (Post 1631929)
Enjoy your family's anniversary celebration.

Gracias.

LaRondo 09-28-2007 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB (Post 1631984)
Gracias.

De nada.

450slcguy 09-28-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1631509)
Far easier to take steps to reform current leaders than to blow up the hydra headed beast into 1,000 pieces

If you mean their leaders, not much chance of that happening. If you mean our leaders, I'd like to see that too.


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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1631509)
... all of which can and probably will reconstitute themselves into serious trouble, trouble greater than what we faced initially.

Like you said earlier, that's what it took for "G and J" to see the light.

Unfortunately for Iran (and US), I think they'll need that same type of persuasion. Not trying to be a war monger, but I just don't see political reform happening in Iran's foreseeable future.

LUVMBDiesels 09-28-2007 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1631509)
I'm not going to lead any cheers for the Iranian govt. The big question is, how do you encourage it to get better? Bush and fellow geniuses subscribed to the theory that once a few of the bad apples at the top are eliminated, the oppressed masses will at last have the chance to do much better and will embrace the Jeffersonian democracy they've been yearning for.

The militarists tirelessly point out that post WW2, G and J embraced much better forms of governance. Yes but both nations suffered a serious humbling which they clearly had coming. From such things comes soul searching. Nothing remotely like that happened in Iraq and will almost certainly not in Iran, if Uncle Dick were to get his way.

Far easier to take steps to reform current leaders than to blow up the hydra headed beast into 1,000 pieces, all of which can and probably will reconstitute themselves into serious trouble, trouble greater than what we faced initially.


What we have forgotten is that we had to occupy Japan until 1952 and we had left the emperor in place as a figure head. We also wrote their constitution for them. Germany was occupied without a government except for the four power zones until 1955 when France, the UK, and the USA combined their zones into West Germany and the Soviets took their marbles and created East Germany. Both Germanies were basically occupied either by NATO or the Warsaw Pact until 1992. Also during the early occupation of these countries, especially Germany, there were many GIs killed by insurgents only we called them NAZIs then.

What I am saying is that to expect a country to turn 180 degrees in a few months was ridiculous. This is where I blame Bush. He should have never turned sovereignty over to the Iraqis until they had pacified the country and had rebuilt most of the infrastructure. If we had turned Japan or Germany over to their people in 1946 they would be very different countries today.

As far as decapitation of the leadership goes, that would probably work in some cases where a democratically leaning revolution was hijacked as in Iran and Venezuela, but not in a total police state as you had in Iraq. A country like Iraq would need years of De-Baathification and training in how to run their own affairs before being left on their own. I feel that we have not done these people justice in giving them too much too soon.

Another case in point was the Philippines. We took them over in 1898 and were only planning on giving them total independence in 1945. The war interrupted this and they did not get independence until 1947, but for the years from 1931 to 1947 (excepting 41-44) we had them running their own internal affairs with our guidance (sort of like having a government on training wheels) This worked out well until Marcos in 1966.

mgburg 09-29-2007 12:20 AM

*** Ineedahandjob's place in history and should he have been in the US? ***
 
As for Myma Ineedahandjob being in the US...he should have had his nuts cracked the minute he stepped off the grounds of the UN...has anyone verified Ineedahandjob's complicity in the US/Iranian Hostage Crisis (the one that was a big part in a Democratic President's downfall and the beginning of Reaganomics...)?

Then, the "quotes" from the Iranian press...pretty much got what was expected there...no mention of homos/dykes/gays/bis in that article...BIG SURPRISE...If you never experience it, how can you have a word for it? :rolleyes:

Neville Chamberlin came back to England with a document signed by none other than Hitler himself...what was the phrase? "Peace in our time."

Ineedahandjob speaks at Columbia and everyone is (at least, in the US) mortified/angry/supportive/sympathetic/outraged (pick your attitude) and everyone is surprised that the ME is giving Ineedahandjob a "hero's welcome" 'cause he was (cscmc1 post:) "...fearlessly and courageously walking into the ‘Lion’s Den’ ... he is sure to become even more of a hero in the Arab-Muslim street than before,” the daily Iran News wrote.' ..."

WE (The US and Columbia University) gave this putz a soap-box - we will have to live with the fallout from this for a long time...

Once the lie is told, it's truth forever...conversely, the truth may be the hardest thing to prove, yet it will never fully be excepted.

Ineedahandjob may have acted, and proved, to us (The US) that he is, indeed, a waste of DNA and a puppet of the Iranian Mullahs, but to those in the ME that have an in-born hatred and dislike for anything Israel and US, he's the "Neville Chamberlin" of his time and place. He's our "Hitler" of our times, but not to the ME...but like all politicians, he's expendable.

And when he's gone...what's coming next? :confused:

:dizzy2: ?

A264172 09-29-2007 11:33 AM

Ahmadinejad should take a lesson from LBJ's war on poverty. Iran needs a naitional program to eradicate homolessness.


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