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BENZ-LGB · #**166** 11-16-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I understand the concept and agree that some pious do-gooders are hard to take -- people who think that doing only good things and going to church every week make them somehow elevated above the rest.

Like I wrote, I too have probems accepting that concept. I guess I've seen too many last minute "jail-house confessions" to be persuaded.

But those are the rules. The concept makes some sense.

If we are saved by grace and faith, that means we cannot "buy" our way inot heave. We can build the largest church in the world, endow it with all the riches of the world and God would not be very impressed (after all he created everything we see and know). The concept means that there is room in heaven for the most evil men because even if their deeds are horrible, if they have (real) faith and thier conversion is real then they too can attain salvation.

Which makes me wonder, what if kastro converts and he and I run into each othere in Heaven?

cmac2012 · #**167** 11-16-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

"Karma" is just another ripoff from the Bible..

In fact "ALL" religions/cults steal from the Bible...Think about it?

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever, a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Yeah, damn those Buddhists and Taoists in the 5th century BC for stealing all those good ideas from the bible.

Many of the sayings of Shakyamuni Buddha sound like a paraphrase of Jesus's words. Ditto for Lao Tzu only not as much. Guess when you're drawing from the same well, the water is going to be similar.

Botnst · #**168** 11-16-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Yeah, damn those Buddhists and Taoists in the 5th century BC for stealing all those good ideas from the bible.

Many of the sayings of Shakyamuni Buddha sound like a paraphrase of Jesus's words. Ditto for Lao Tzu only not as much. Guess when you're drawing from the same well, the water is going to be similar.

They're so devious that they ripped-off the ideas before the Hebrews had them revealed to them by Yahweh.

Matt SD300 · #**169** 11-16-2007, 10:30 PM

Oh Lord...............You guys need to settle down...

Im just stating a few truths....

Eve was..(deceived/cast doubt)....But.. Adam was held accountable by God (He knew better.)..

Take a deep breath and relax.........

Read Genesis 3 and Romans 5:14

I gotta go...Time to watch some Hooterville.......

Matt SD300 · #**170** 11-16-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

They're so devious that they ripped-off the ideas before the Hebrews had them revealed to them by Yahweh.

Today - 2,000 Years Later
About two thousand years elapsed between the time the scrolls were deposited in the caves of the barren hills surrounding the Dead Sea and their discovery in 1947. The fact that they survived for twenty centuries, that they were found accidentally by Bedouin shepherds, that they are the largest and oldest body of manuscripts relating to the Bible and to the time of Jesus of Nazareth make them a truly remarkable archaeological find.
Since their discovery, the Dead Sea Scrolls have been the subject of great scholarly and public interest. For scholars they represent an invaluable source for exploring the nature of post- biblical times and probing the sources of two of the world's great religions. For the public, they are artifacts of great significance, mystery, and drama.

Interest in the scrolls has, if anything, intensified in recent years. Media coverage has given prominence to scholarly debates over the meaning of the scrolls, the Qumran ruin, as well as particular scroll fragments, raising questions destined to increase attention and heighten the Dead Sea Scrolls mystery. Did the scrolls come from the library of the Second Temple or other libraries and were they hidden to prevent their destruction by the Romans? Was the Qumran site a winter villa for a wealthy Jerusalem family or was it a Roman fortress? Was it a monastery not for Essenes but for a Sadducean sect? Does this mean we need to revise our view of Jewish religious beliefs during the last centuries of the Second Temple? Do the Dead Sea Scrolls provide clues to hidden treasures? Does the "War Rule Scroll" (object no. 12) refer to a pierced or piercing messiah?

Since the late 1980s, no controversy has been more heated than that surrounding access to the scrolls and the movement to accelerate their publication. The push by scholars to gain what the "Biblical Archaeology Review" characterized as "intellectual freedom and the right to scholarly access" has had significant results. In 1988, the administration for scroll research, the Israel Antiquities Authority, began to expand the number of scroll assignments. By 1992, they included more than fifty scholars. In 1991, a computer-generated version as well as a two-volume edition of the scroll photographs were published by the Biblical Archaeology Society. Late in the same year, the Huntington Library of California made available to all scholars the photographic security copies of the scrolls on deposit in its vault. Closing the circle, the Israel Antiquities Authority announced that it too would be issuing an authorized microfiche edition, complete with detailed indices.

Judaism and Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls
The Dead Sea Scrolls include a range of contemporary documents that serve as a window on a turbulent and critical period in the history of Judaism. In addition to the three groups identified by Josephus (Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes), Judaism was further divided into numerous religious sects and political parties. With the destruction of the Temple and the commonwealth in 70 C.E., all that came to an end. Only the Judaism of the Pharisees--Rabbinic Judaism--survived. Reflected in Qumran literature is a Judaism in transition: moving from the religion of Israel as described in the Bible to the Judaism of the rabbis as expounded in the Mishnah (a third-century compilation of Jewish laws and customs which forms the basis of modern Jewish practice).
The Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to the events described in the New Testament, have added to our understanding of the Jewish background of Christianity. Scholars have pointed to similarities between beliefs and practices outlined in the Qumran literature and those of early Christians. These parallels include comparable rituals of baptism, communal meals, and property. Most interesting is the parallel organizational structures: the sectarians divided themselves into twelve tribes led by twelve chiefs, similar to the structure of the early Church, with twelve apostles who, according to Jesus, would to sit on twelve thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel. Many scholars believe that both the literature of Qumran and the early Christian teachings stem from a common stream within Judaism and do not reflect a direct link between the Qumran community and the early Christians.

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The Vedas
There are four Vedas, the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. The Vedas are the primary texts of Hinduism. They also had a vast influence on Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. The Rig Veda, the oldest of the four Vedas, was composed about 1500 B.C., and codified about 600 B.C. It is unknown when it was finally comitted to writing, but this probably was at some point after 300 B.C.
The Vedas contain hymns, incantations, and rituals from ancient India. Along with the Book of the Dead, the Enuma Elish, the I Ching, and the Avesta, they are among the most ancient religious texts still in existence. Besides their spiritual value, they also give a unique view of everyday life in India four thousand years ago. The Vedas are also the most ancient extensive texts in an Indo-European language, and as such are invaluable in the study of comparative linguistics

Gurkha · #**171** 11-16-2007, 10:55 PM

Matt,

Vedas are older http://hinduism.iskcon.com/tradition/1106.htm

The Vedas are considered the oldest Hindu texts. Scholars believe that they were written down some 2,500 years ago, though the tradition often dates them to the beginning of Kali-yuga (circa 3000 BCE). Some Hindus say that there was originally only one Veda, the Yajur, which was later divided into four. Scholars, however, usually consider the Rig-Veda the oldest of all Hindu writings.

The great Buddha is worshipped by Hindus and acknowledged to be the ninth in list of great beings who descended to earth, Buddha took the true gist of Hindu philosophy and made it simple for everyone to follow. Buddha believed in the Holy trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and many Buddhists temples will have Hindu beliefs depicted along with Buddhists. Unfortunately, ideal faith is not to everyone's taste, we are all weak and need symbols, idols and rituals and we resort to that ultimately.

All faith are eternally good, they all have eventually the same goal and thats why from centuries you will find similarities in their teaching, problem is we humans like to interpret all according to our convenience and convoluted senses.

By the way, no one ripped anything off the Bible, Karma is Hindu/Buddhist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism concept in existence way before the Bible. Karma is linked to reincarnation, a very important aspect for a Hindu or a Buddhist, in simple terms, you reap in your what sow, if you don't follow the eternal good, you will pay for it in your next life.

http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/karma.htm

The theory of karma harps on the Newtonian principle that every action produces an equal and opposite reaction. Every time we think or do something, we create a cause, which in time will bear its corresponding effects. And this cyclical cause and effect generates the concepts of (or the world) and birth and reincarnation. It is the personality of a human being or the jivatman - with its positive and negative actions - that causes karma.

A264172 · #**172** 11-16-2007, 10:59 PM

I wonder if this whole oceans in peril thing somehow started with the multiplying of the fishes... I think a modern day Jesus woulda made their stomaches smaller.

Botnst · #**173** 11-17-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

Oh Lord...............You guys need to settle down...

Im just stating a few truths....

Eve was..(deceived/cast doubt)....But.. Adam was held accountable by God (He knew better.)..

Take a deep breath and relax.........

Read Genesis 3 and Romans 5:14

I gotta go...Time to watch some Hooterville.......

Small caliber ammunition.

t walgamuth · #**174** 11-17-2007, 07:04 AM

That Hooterville.....is that a show put on by Hooter's restaurants?

I don't blame you for wanting to watch those Hooter girls.

Tom W

Gurkha · #**175** 11-17-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

That Hooterville.....is that a show put on by Hooter's restaurants?

I don't blame you for wanting to watch those Hooter girls.

Tom W

Isn't that some kind of a sin or breaking of testament? Watching another woman with lustful eyes apart from your own wife?

t walgamuth · #**176** 11-17-2007, 07:33 AM

See, its not a sin for me 'cause I may look but not with LUSTFUL eyes. I appreciate a fine looking lady as I do a fine piece of art or a nice benz.

Tom W

Gurkha · #**177** 11-17-2007, 07:40 AM

For Benz or art, it would be an appreciative eye, for a lady like the one in the pic, it would definitely be lust and a sin.

BENZ-LGB · #**178** 11-17-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Isn't that some kind of a sin or breaking of testament? Watching another woman with lustful eyes apart from your own wife?

OK to look...as long as you don't covet.

Matt SD300 · #**179** 11-17-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Isn't that some kind of a sin or breaking of testament? Watching another woman with lustful eyes apart from your own wife?

We watched 8 episodes!! Funny stuff........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooterville

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Acres

Matt SD300 · #**180** 11-17-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Matt,

Vedas are older http://hinduism.iskcon.com/tradition/1106.htm

The Vedas are considered the oldest Hindu texts. Scholars believe that they were written down some 2,500 years ago, though the tradition often dates them to the beginning of Kali-yuga (circa 3000 BCE). Some Hindus say that there was originally only one Veda, the Yajur, which was later divided into four. Scholars, however, usually consider the Rig-Veda the oldest of all Hindu writings.

The great Buddha is worshipped by Hindus and acknowledged to be the ninth in list of great beings who descended to earth, Buddha took the true gist of Hindu philosophy and made it simple for everyone to follow. Buddha believed in the Holy trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and many Buddhists temples will have Hindu beliefs depicted along with Buddhists. Unfortunately, ideal faith is not to everyone's taste, we are all weak and need symbols, idols and rituals and we resort to that ultimately.

All faith are eternally good, they all have eventually the same goal and thats why from centuries you will find similarities in their teaching, problem is we humans like to interpret all according to our convenience and convoluted senses.

By the way, no one ripped anything off the Bible, Karma is Hindu/Buddhist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism concept in existence way before the Bible. Karma is linked to reincarnation, a very important aspect for a Hindu or a Buddhist, in simple terms, you reap in your what sow, if you don't follow the eternal good, you will pay for it in your next life.

http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/karma.htm

The theory of karma harps on the Newtonian principle that every action produces an equal and opposite reaction. Every time we think or do something, we create a cause, which in time will bear its corresponding effects. And this cyclical cause and effect generates the concepts of (or the world) and birth and reincarnation. It is the personality of a human being or the jivatman - with its positive and negative actions - that causes karma.

There seems to be a lot of descrpencies on the net,.. on how old the oldest Hindu writings are??

I did find some consistency though...."Encyclopedias"...They date the Rig Veda to 1100 B.C -1700 B.C...............

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-38169/pantheism

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0850572.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda