Damn Super, you should write for the 'Tiger Rag':D


Rebuttal, E? (other than the California is paradise and everywhere else sucks crap--we've already covered that;))

A few more interesting statistics.

SEC leads the Pac 10 in all time head to head match-ups.

SEC has 21 national championships compared to the Pac 10's total of 15. Yes, that includes the paper trophy USC received from the AP in 2003. USC would have been worked by LSU in 2003 so you guys got lucky not to have another lopsided Pac 10 loss to LSU.

We seem to have a fair share of them Cajun boys playing for USC. :D

Paper trophy?

Ha ha ha...that year three coaches broke rank with the BCS (in fact breached their contract with the BCS) in order to vote USC #1.

Why?

Because USC was the better team that year.

If only more coaches had their cojones in the right place they too would have voted USC #1 that year. But they were all too chicken to do the right thing.

Regarding the 2003-04 season:

USC was ranked #1 in both the AP and ESPN-USA Today Coaches poll, but was burdened by a collective 2.67 computer ranking due to a schedule deemed weaker by computer analysis. Meanwhile Oklahoma, after an undefeated regular season, was beaten by Kansas State (35-7) in the Big 12 Championship Game. The loss dropped Oklahoma to #3 in the human polls (while the computers still had them at #1). LSU had earned a stronger computer ranking than USC and a #2 human poll ranking, and went on to claim the BCS championship with a 21-14 win over Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. USC, which beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, retained its #1 ranking in the AP Poll by out-polling LSU in first place votes by a vote of 48 - 17. Oklahoma (which finished 12-2) had been clearly eliminated from national championship contention, but the split in polls left many LSU (13-1) and USC (12-1) fans displeased, as USC was named the AP national football champion. This incident has been considered a lightning rod of controversy by some sportswriters covering college football.[5]

The college coaches involved in the coaches poll were contractually obligated to award their organization's trophy and first place votes to the winner of the BCS championship game, LSU. However, for the first and, so far, only time in the history of the BCS Championship Series, the BCS Champion was not a unanimous #1 in the final Coaches Poll as the final vote was 60 - 3 for LSU as National Champion with USC as a runner-up. It is speculated that the three coaches who broke rank--Lou Holtz of South Carolina, Mike Bellotti of Oregon and Ron Turner of Illinois--violating their contractual obligation, did so because they believed that USC was the best team. Meanwhile other coaches followed their contractual obligation under the coaches "poll" and changed their choice of #1 from USC to LSU.

BCS Bowl appearances:

USC: 5 (won 4/lost 1)

Won 2003 Orange Bowl
Won 2004 Rose Bowl
Won 2005 Orange Bowl
Lost 2006 Rose Bowl
Won 2007 Rose Bowl

LSU: 3 (won 3)

Won 2002 Sugar Bowl
Won 2004 Sugar Bowl*
Won 2007 Sugar Bowl

BCS appearances by conference/team:

7 different schools
W: 7 / L: 4 0.637
UCLA -- lost 1996 Rose Bowl
Stanford -- Lost 2000 RB
Washington -- Won 2001 RB
Oregon State -- Won 2001 Fiesta Bowl
Oregon -- Won 2002 Fiesta Bowl
Washington State -- Lost 2003 RB
USC -- Won 2003 Orange Bowl
USC -- Won 2004 RB
USC -- Won 2005 Orange Bowl
USC -- Lost 2006 RB
USC -- Won 2007 RB

In the same time period only 6 SEC schools made a bowl appearance (as opposed to 7 from the Pac 10) and LSU has appeared in only 3 bowl games (as opposed to 5 for USC).

Yeah, we are the weaker conference...oh yeah...oh sure.

BTW, I can do this all day long.....

There are stats and then there are stats.

For your consideration, however, here are a few facts that ought to make you guys choke on your crawfish... :D

Trojan athletic achievement:

The Trojan men have won 86 national championships (73 NCAA titles), more than any other University.

The Women of Troy have earned 20 national championships.

USC Trojan Football has won 11 national championships and 7 Heisman Trophies

The Trojans won at least 1 national team title in 26 consecutive years (1959-60 to 1984-85).

USC won the National College All-Sports Championship an annual ranking by

USA Today of the country’s top athletic programs — 6 times since its inception in 1971.

Trojan men athletes have won more individual NCAA titles (290) than those from any other school in the nation (the Women of Troy have brought home another 41 individual NCAA crowns).

Four Trojans have won the James E. Sullivan Award as the top amateur athlete in America: diver Sammy Lee (1953), shot putter Parry O'Brien
(1959), swimmer John Naber (1977) and swimmer Janet Evans (1989).

Two Women of Troy athletes have won the Honda-Broderick Cup as the top collegiate woman athlete of the year: Cheryl Miller (1983-84) and Angela Williams (2001-02). And Trojan women have won 8 Honda Awards, as the top female athlete in their sport.

USC won the Lexus Gauntlet Trophy, a year-long all-sports competition between Troy and crosstown rival UCLA, in its inaugural 2001-02 season and again in 2003-04 and 2005-06 .

Trojans in the Olympics:

USC has a reputation and long tradition of nurturing Olympic athletes. From the 1904 Summer Olympics through the 2004 games, 375 Trojan athletes have competed in the Games, taking home 112 gold medals, 64 silver and 58 bronze.

There have been more Trojans in the Olympics than from any other university in the world - in fact, if USC were its own nation in the Olympics, it would rank tied for 11th in the world in total gold medals earned.[11].

Since 1912, USC is the only university in the world to have a gold medal-winning athlete in every summer Olympiad.

USC sent 35 athletes to the 2004 Athens Olympics and won 17 medals: eight golds, five silvers and four bronzes.

Men's National Championships

Football (11)
Baseball (12)
Gymnastics (1)
Swimming & Diving (9)
Tennis (16)
Track & Field (26)
Indoor Track & Field (2)
Volleyball (6)
Water Polo (3)

86 Total Men's Titles

By comparison, LSU has only 40 national titles (men and women). Less than half of all the national titles earned by USC.

And, just to make sure it is not all about athletics...

The U.S. News & World Report ranked USC 27th among all universities in the United States in its 2008 ranking of "America's Best Colleges", also designating it as one of the "most selective universities" for admitting 8,634 of the almost 34,000 who applied for freshman admission in 2006 for a 25% admissions rate.[4] According to the freshman profile, 18% of admissions were associated with legacy preferences. USC was also named "College of the Year 2000" by the editors of TIME magazine and the Princeton Review for the university's extensive community-service programs. Residing in the heart of a global city, USC ranks among the most diverse universities in the United States, with students from all 50 states as well as over 115 countries.[5]

USC is also home to Nobel Prize winning Chemistry Professor George Olah, director of the Loker Hydrocarbon Research Institute. The university also has two National Science Foundation–funded Engineering Research Centers—the Integrated Media Systems Center and the Center for Biomimetic Microelectronic Systems. In addition, The U.S. Department of Homeland Security selected USC as its first Homeland Security Center of Excellence. Since 1991, USC has been the headquarters of the NSF and USGS funded Southern California Earthquake Center.

USC is the largest private employer in Los Angeles and the third largest in the state of California and is responsible for $4 billion in economic output in Los Angeles County; USC students spend $406 million yearly in the local economy and visitors to the campus add another $12.3 million.[6] USC and its partner institutions have recently completed or soon will be constructing 27 new buildings, which will provide nearly 8.1 million square feet (750,000 m²) of new space for research, teaching, patient care, and student life enrichment.

Where is LSU ranked nationally?

Incidentally, I started out by congratulating LSU and wishing them well against OSU.

But some of you SEC guys (not you JD) couldn't leave well enough alone and began talking smack. Well, as they say back in the 'hood, don't be starting nutting you can't finish.

Now I am beginning to think that I should wish for a complet ebeatdown by OSU. So when USC beats OSU next season (you see, we schedule top ranked schools) then we can argue that USC would have easily defeated LSU.

Go OHIO! :D

Such as:

#9 VA Tech
#12 South Carolina
#9 Florida
#17 Kentucky
#17 Auburn
#17 Alabama
#14 Tennessee

Toss in Arkansas (who did fairly well this year), and your point sucks.

We were talking football and not tennis and racquetball.:spam:

They shouldn't even call it a title game this year, noone deserves to play in a game of that title.

Whenever I want an unproductive relationship, I choose Trojans.

I don't know why people say the bowl system is broken. So, we'll have a bunch of disagreement about who the national champion is. Big deal. There will be a bunch of great football for a couple weeks over the holidays. Isn't that more important than having a single, unambiguous winner? It's not as if the teams won't compete at their highest level.

IMHO.

Oh yeah? Well I'm taking my football and going home. :cool:

College football needs a playoff system like NCAA basketball. Otherwise, no one will know who is the best team in the country. With the exception of Hawaii, there are too many two-loss teams.

Your information is incorrect!

Bowl coalition:
1996-1997

#3 Florida 52, #1 Florida State 20
#7 Penn State 38, #20 Texas 15
#6 Nebraska 41, #10 Virginia Tech 21
#4 Ohio State 20, #2 Arizona State 17

SEC 1 - 0 Pac 10 0 - 1

1997-98
#2 Nebraska 42, #3 Tennessee 17
#4 Florida State 31, #9 Ohio State 14
#8 Kansas State 35, #14 Syracuse 18
#1 Michigan 21, #8 Washington State 16

SEC 0 - 1 Pac 10 0 - 1

BCS GAME RESULTS
1999
#4 Ohio State 24, #6 Texas A&M 14
#1 Tennessee 23, #2 Florida State 16
#8 Florida 31, #15 Syracuse 10
#9 Wisconsin 38, #5 UCLA 31

2 SEC teams and 2 BCS wins for the SEC. 0 - 1 for the Pac 10

2000
#1 Florida State 46, #2 Virginia Tech 29
#3 Nebraska 31, #5 Tennessee 21
#8 Michigan 35, #4 Alabama 34
#7 Wisconsin 17, Stanford 9

2 SEC teams 0 wins. 0 - 1 Pac 10

2001
#3 Miami 37, #7 Florida 20
#6 Oregon State 41, #11 Notre Dame 9
#1 Oklahoma 13, #2 Florida State 2
#4 Washington 34, Purdue 24

SEC 0 - 1 Pac 10 2 - 0


2002
#13 LSU 47, #8 Illinois 34
#4 Oregon 38, #3 Colorado 16
#5 Florida 56, #10 Maryland 23
#1 Miami 37, #2 Nebraska 14

SEC 1 - 0 Pac 10 1 - 0

# 3 Georgia 26, #14 Florida State 13
#2 Ohio State 31, #1 Miami 24 (2OT)
#4 USC 38, #5 Iowa 17
#7 Oklahoma 34, #6 Washington State 14

SEC 1 - 0 Pac 10 1 - 1

2004 #2 LSU 21, #1 Oklahoma 14
#5 Ohio State 35, #10 Kansas State 28
#9 Miami 16, #7 Florida State 14
#3 USC 28, #4 Michigan 14

SEC 1 - 0 PAC 10 1 - 0

2005
#3 Auburn 16, #8 Virginia Tech 13
#6 Utah 35, #21 Pittsburgh 7
#1 USC 55, #2 Oklahoma 19
#4 Texas 38, #13 Michigan 37

SEC 1 - 0 Pac 10 1 - 0

2006

#11 West Virginia 38, Georgia 35
#4 Ohio State 34, #6 Notre Dame 20
#3 Penn St. 26, #22 Florida St. 23 (3 OT)
#2 Texas 41, #1 USC 38

SEC 0 - 1, Pac 10 0 - 1

2007

#2 Florida 41, #1 Ohio State 14
#8 Boise St. 43, #10 Oklahoma 42, OT
#6 Louisville 24, #14 Wake Forest 13
#5 USC 32, #3 Michigan 18
#4 LSU 41, #11 Notre Dame 14

SEC 2 - 0 Pac 10 1 - 0

SEC sent 14 teams to BCS bowl games and won 9 of those.

Pac 10 sent 13 teams to the BCS bowl games and won 7.

SEC won 9 BCS games and the Pac 10 won 7.


WIN-LOSS RECORDS


All-Time Winning Percentages


Record
Percentage

LSU
3-0
1.000

Texas
2-0
1.000

Wisconsin
2-0
1.000

Auburn
1-0
1.000

Boise State
1-0
1.000

Louisville
1-0
1.000

Oregon
1-0
1.000

Oregon St.
1-0
1.000

Penn State
1-0
1.000

Utah
1-0
1.000

Washington
1-0
1.000

West Virginia
1-0
1.000

USC
4-1
.800

Ohio State
4-1
.800


Miami (Fla.)
3-1
.750

Florida
3-1
.750

Georgia
1-1
.500

Tennessee
1-1
.500

Nebraska
1-1
.500

Oklahoma
2-3
.400

Michigan
1-3
.250

Florida State
1-5
.170

Alabama
0-1
.000

Colorado
0-1
.000

Illinois
0-1
.000

Iowa
0-1
.000

Kansas St.
0-1
.000

Maryland
0-1
.000

Pittsburgh
0-1
.000

Notre Dame
0-3
.000

Purdue
0-1
.000

Stanford
0-1
.000

Syracuse
0-1
.000

Texas A&M
0-1
.000

UCLA
0-1
.000

Washington St.
0-1
.000

Virginia Tech
0-2
.000




All-Time Winning Percentage, Championship Game


Record
Percentage

Florida
1-0
1.000

LSU
1-0
1.000

Tennessee
1-0
1.000

Texas
1-0
1.000

Ohio St.
1-1
.500

USC
1-1
.500

Miami (Fla.)
1-1
.500

Florida St.
1-2
.333

Oklahoma
1-2
.333

Nebraska
0-1
.000

Virginia Tech
0-1
.000




Most BCS Games

Florida State
6

Oklahoma
5

Ohio State
5

USC
5

Florida
4

Miami (FL)
4

Michigan
4

USC still owns LSU.

11 National titles vs. 2.

You name the sport and USC still beats LSU.

It's OK, someday LSU may be good enough to be on the same league as USC. In the meantime be proud in the knowledge that LSU is not a bad school for a "land/water/air" grant school (whatever that means).

:bowrofl:

Do you know when someone has been beaten at an argument?

They resort to hysterics and big, super-sized font bold letters.

What's the matter SEC, your computer couldn't come up with even bigger font?

In all the hysterics and bold, over-sized font lettering, SEC forgets one little old fact....

LSU: 2 BCS bowl appearances and only two national titles (one of them dating allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way back).

USC: 5 BCS bowl appearances and 11 national titles (two of them within recent memory). This figure does not even take into consideration ALL the other bowls USC has appeared before the creation of the BCS.

Come back to me when LSU has made as many bowl apperances (BCS or otherwise) as USC, or come back to me when LSU has earned half as many national titles as USC. Then maybe you will have something to talk about.

Like I said, LSU is not bad for a bayou school. But LSU is no USC...it will never be.

Like I said, I can do this all day long.

You should have left well enough alone back at the beginning of this thread when I congratulated LSU and wished them well against OSU. But oh no, you had to start talking smack about your pitiful little conference. :freak:

My dad can kick your dad's butt. :jester: