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Old 02-16-2008, 02:29 PM
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Why should there be? Why do we have to pay for others? Since when do we owe you a living?

So? Don't like it? Earn your way to the top and change it, if you can.

How so?

It seems to me that once at the top the only way to make the briliance of millions is by killing and cohercing a country like the usa to kill and and spend the wealth of millions of citizens and then make them believe that entitlements are no good for the people or the economy. Sir your a down right trillion aire and I am glad you are on top and have entire accounting companies hiding your money so you wont have to pay tax's. why should you any way you are using up all the natural resources and labor and providing so called low paying jobs. Your not a citizen as all men are created equal you a Lord of the land...

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Old 02-16-2008, 02:29 PM
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Do you know why there is no national healthcare in this country and we are at war in Iraq

1 one man a CEO in a major HMO make 1.7 billion a year.
2 one man a CEO for EXXON makes 125 million a year.

your 10% is speaking of the working poor not the bllod sucking elite.
I'm more than pleased we have no socialized healthcare, no national healthcare policy, and I wish we could do away with the healthcare entitlement that we do have.

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Old 02-16-2008, 02:31 PM
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No good. We didn't know Saddam had 'em. We suspected.
The Iranian soldiers and Kurdish citizens were killed by an overdose of suspicion.

The chemical manifests and billing information turned-over by German, Italian, French and Russia entities as a result of UN sponsored investigation we what?

A. Fabricated by Bill Clinton
B. Real

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Old 02-16-2008, 02:59 PM
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Sir your a down right trillion aire and I am glad you are on top and have entire accounting companies hiding your money so you wont have to pay tax's. why should you any way you are using up all the natural resources and labor and providing so called low paying jobs. Your not a citizen as all men are created equal you a Lord of the land...
If I am, I haven't noticed it yet. What's your point? That if I am not super rich I have to be for entitlement programs and what not?
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Old 02-16-2008, 03:01 PM
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The Iranian soldiers and Kurdish citizens were killed by an overdose of suspicion.

The chemical manifests and billing information turned-over by German, Italian, French and Russia entities as a result of UN sponsored investigation we what?

A. Fabricated by Bill Clinton
B. Real

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Well, Bill Clinton lied about having sex so maybe he lied about Hussein. I'll bet Clinton paid off all the industries to fabricate the evidence.
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Old 02-16-2008, 04:35 PM
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Do you know why there is no national healthcare in this country and we are at war in Iraq

1 one man a CEO in a major HMO make 1.7 billion a year.
2 one man a CEO for EXXON makes 125 million a year.

your 10% is speaking of the working poor not the bllod sucking elite.
I seriously doubt anyone, outside of maybe Gates or Buffet, has ever made 1.7 billion in year.

That said, it's shocking that actual doctors have to sweat nickel and dime decisions while making a fraction of the execs at HMOs, execs who didn't sweat nearly as much to get their training as the average doc.

Universal health care has its problems but applying the business model to health care is whacked.

- Bleeding heart libtard,
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Universal health care has its problems but applying the business model to health care is whacked.

- Bleeding heart libtard,
Correct.

The current business model is being driven by the health insurance companies. The price that they pay the doctors is fixed. If the doctor doesn't like it.........they can go pound sand.

So, the level of care for each individual patient continues to drop because the doctor must churn the people through the office to make a decent living. Many doctors cannot even crack $100K per year these days, after expenses...........and the problem is getting worse.

I'm not entirely satisfied that universal health care by the government will solve anything, but, the current business model as prescribed by the insurance companies is not achieving the goal of decent patient care.
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Old 02-16-2008, 05:55 PM
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That said, it's shocking that actual doctors have to sweat nickel and dime decisions while making a fraction of the execs at HMOs, execs who didn't sweat nearly as much to get their training as the average doc.
Line staff has never made as much money as execs. Don't like it? Become an exec IF YOU CAN. Would I like to earn more money like Bill Gates? Sure. Since I don't have the capabilities, I'll have to live with what I can earn.
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Old 02-16-2008, 05:57 PM
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If I am, I haven't noticed it yet. What's your point? That if I am not super rich I have to be for entitlement programs and what not?

Oh yes Sir Bush and clan are all entitled to entitlements but the peopel 41 42 43 swore to look after it benefits.
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Old 02-16-2008, 06:00 PM
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Oh yes Sir Bush and clan are all entitled to entitlements but the peopel 41 42 43 swore to look after it benefits.
What on earth are you trying to say?
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Again, So? The bigger you are, the more ways you can hide. When you earn minimum wage, you have fewer deductions than when you earn 50K. When you earn 50K you have fewer deductions than when you earn 150K. Don't like the rules? Vote to change them.
Not always. I've been stuck taking the standard deduction for quite a few years now. When I made $40,000 a year, I had to take the standard deduction, and between federal income tax and FICA, Infernal Revenue ended up getting over $8,000 a year out of me. At present, I'm making $8.50 an hour and will still be taking the standard deduction.

On the bright side, I spent some of 2006 and the first nine months of 2007 in a tax-free zone. My E-5 pay (with some other associated benefits) translated to the equivalent of about $55,000 per year in a job where I'd have to pay taxes.
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From what I've read, it seems that Massachusetts' mandated health care plan is working well. That is.........for those participating in it.
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It took me so long to read this post gas prices increased twice since I started.
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Old 02-16-2008, 10:56 PM
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I agree.

The analogy would be if the IRS knew that EXXON had pumped a figure higher than they reported. We would all want the iRS to pursure EXXON, wouldn't we?

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Caught by your own arguement.
But still you twist.

Cant have it both ways.

Either lack of evidence makes you guilty or not guilty in both cases.

Not just the one you want it to.
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It took me so long to read this post gas prices increased twice since I started.
Actually, they've dropped since it started.

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