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pt145ss · #31 02-15-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by luvlaw

One nice thing about California's gun laws is....oh...nevermind.

I for one will never move to commyforna....sorry.

DieselAddict · #32 02-15-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pt145ss

Make criminals that commit violent crimes with a gun pay dearly for their activity.

How do you make a dead criminal pay dearly for his or her activity?

Jim B. · #33 02-15-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by waybomb

Do speeding laws keep people from speeding? Do shoplifting laws stop people from shoplifting? Do fireworks laws stop people from using fireworks? Etc.?

No law is going to stop an insane person from doing something insane.

So by your logic ALL laws are a waste of time and should therefore be abolished.

The laws, with PUNISHMENT and enforcement of them, help sometimes.

cudaspaz · #34 02-15-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote: Of course the mere existence of permits to begin with is unconstitutional and thus a crime on the part of the government.

Peter,
Coming from a South African,
That comment deserves a sticky, and another Amen.

You're allright man.

As far as the guy who asked "How do you make a dead criminal pay dearly?"

Well, to be respectful to him, I won't even go there.

DieselAddict · #35 02-15-2008, 09:04 PM

It's a valid question. Why not go there? I think one thing that we can all agree on is that there are no easy answers to these murder-suicides. One answer is to arm everyone but people better watch out who they're arguing with because the place could instantly erupt into a war zone.

cudaspaz · #36 02-15-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

It's a valid question. Why not go there? I think one thing that we can all agree on is that there are no easy answers to these murder-suicides. One answer is to arm everyone but people better watch out who they're arguing with because the place could instantly erupt into a war zone.

Exactly, it gives people an excuse to be polite to one another.

rwthomas1 · #37 02-15-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

It's a valid question. Why not go there? I think one thing that we can all agree on is that there are no easy answers to these murder-suicides. One answer is to arm everyone but people better watch out who they're arguing with because the place could instantly erupt into a war zone.

That is exactly what the anti-gun movement has said every time a state enacts a "shall issue" CCW permit law. That is, a law where if a citizen can pass the requirements of CCW the permit is issued, no politics, local CLEO review etc. Heres the interesting thing: It doesn't happen! Most people, 99.9% of them, are law abiding level headed folks and carrying a weapon doesn't make them any more likely to shoot somebody. I believe 33 states now have shall issue and some others have permits with local/state CLEO review. There are far, far more people packing than anyone realizes. The problem is that they leave the gun at home when entering a school, govt building, etc.

I've been a gun owner for years and used to have CCW in CT when I lived there. RT

Brian Carlton · #38 02-15-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rwthomas1

Most people, 99.9% of them, are law abiding level headed folks and carrying a weapon doesn't make them any more likely to shoot somebody.

Sorry, Rob, got to disagree with you on that one. Drive around NY for a bit. You'll find that men are arrogant, testosterone crazed a'holes. I'd really be fearful if they were permitted to have a full carry.

pt145ss · #39 02-16-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Sorry, Rob, got to disagree with you on that one. Drive around NY for a bit. You'll find that men are arrogant, testosterone crazed a'holes. I'd really be fearful if they were permitted to have a full carry.

In Texas...of all the convictions in 2005...only .3% were CHL holders.

Texas is required by law to provide these reports...it can be found at the following address.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ConvictionRatesReport2005.pdf

aklim · #40 02-16-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

These localized "gun-free" zones are the worst option in my opinion. What's the point of banning guns in DC or Chicago, when you can drive a few miles and easily purchase a gun there?

I truly believe this would drastically reduce the murder rate but it might increase burglaries and other less serious crimes.

I don't know if allowing everyone to carry a concealed gun everywhere would reduce murder-suicides like these. You have to realize that these perpetrators want to die and take a few people with them.

Paging Dr Feelgood. Please report to the gun free zones. That is what it is for.

How so? People have been murdering others since the begining of time. What? You think that without a gun, murderers would be stymied and go home and cry in their pillows?

You are right about the perps. However, if someone had a gun there, they might be able to help him achieve the suicide part of the murder-suicide objective a little sooner.

aklim · #41 02-16-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cudaspaz

Great britain now criminalizes homeowners that use firearms and any other weapon for that matter for injuring criminals that break into their homes wether or not their lives were threatened in the process or not.

They criminalize having C4 too but it didn't stop the IRA.

aklim · #42 02-16-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

How do you make a dead criminal pay dearly for his or her activity?

You can't if they are dead but not all of them do us the courtesy and off themselves, right? Make the living ones pay.

tankdriver · #43 02-16-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You are right about the perps. However, if someone had a gun there, they might be able to help him achieve the suicide part of the murder-suicide objective a little sooner.

And they might have helped him with the murder part too.

aklim · #44 02-16-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

And they might have helped him with the murder part too.

If that were true, we'd have way more murders than we have now.

tankdriver · #45 02-16-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

If that were true, we'd have way more murders than we have now.

That makes no sense, as we don't have armed students now. If you want to arm students to shoot it out with the crazy guy, it's obvious that someone besides the crazy guy can get hit.

Arming students is a terrible idea.