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Old 07-15-2008, 12:23 PM
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Bureaucracy's answer to any problem is an increase in regulation and an increase in the bureaucracy and an increase in budget.

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Old 07-15-2008, 12:27 PM
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Bureaucracy's answer to any problem is an increase in regulation...
Is that always a bad thing? I don't think so.
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:37 PM
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Is that always a bad thing? I don't think so.
Didn't indicate goodness or badness, just the general rule.

Additionally, it is nearly axiomatic that increasing government size and power decreases liberty.

In combination, those 2 observations argue for caution in regards to feeding the monster in order to make it obedient and responsive, lest the cure be worse than the disease.

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Old 07-15-2008, 02:37 PM
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Is that always a bad thing? I don't think so.

Increases in regulations or increases in bureacacy all contribute to increased costs born by taxpayers/ consumers which lowers everyone's standard of living.
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Increases in regulations or increases in bureacacy all contribute to increased costs born by taxpayers/ consumers which lowers everyone's standard of living.
So you're saying for example that instead of trying to regulate the amount of lead in kid's toys, we should just let the manufacturers and importers do whatever the hell they want. Brilliant.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:52 PM
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So you're saying for example that instead of trying to regulate the amount of lead in kid's toys, we should just let the manufacturers and importers do whatever the hell they want. Brilliant.
That's a valid point.

I think it comes under the commerce clause, making it a federal case, in my ideal world. If it's all within a state, mfr-to-sale, then I think it should be state or local enforcement, on planet Botnst.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:53 PM
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So you're saying for example that instead of trying to regulate the amount of lead in kid's toys, we should just let the manufacturers and importers do whatever the hell they want. Brilliant.
He's probably against flashing lights on school buses and the American flag as well.

Unsolicited, you present an example of a regulation on his behalf and then criticize him for (apparently) being against that particular regulation. Very nice.
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:03 PM
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So you're saying for example that instead of trying to regulate the amount of lead in kid's toys, we should just let the manufacturers and importers do whatever the hell they want. Brilliant.
You construct a nice straw man. And then you are able to destroy him. Brilliant!
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:11 PM
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Increases in regulations or increases in bureacacy all contribute to increased costs born by taxpayers/ consumers which lowers everyone's standard of living.
By that logic, we should eliminate all regulations and bureaucracies.
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:02 PM
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By that logic, we should eliminate all regulations and bureaucracies.
Did I say to eliminate ALL regulation?

I was pointing out that added oversight, whether thru bureacratic growth, or increased regulations is, in essence, a hidden tax. We, or our reps, need to decide if the benefit is worth the cost. Unfortunately, our reps do not do a good job of that level of oversight. They assume, ( probably correctly), that no one is watching what they do.
OTOH, with the level of litigation in our present society, you might be able to argue that we elimiante all regs, and let the threat of lawsuits keep the big, bad corporations honest.
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:15 PM
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Did I say to eliminate ALL regulation?
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...I was pointing out that added oversight, whether thru bureacratic growth, or increased regulations is, in essence, a hidden tax. We, or our reps, need to decide if the benefit is worth the cost. Unfortunately, our reps do not do a good job of that level of oversight...
I agree, although I think the federal government does a better job than people say. I also think that much of the deregulation pushed by Newt Gingrinch lead directly to ENRON and other less-publicized debacles.
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