Looks like the predictions of a train wreck were wrong!

[mwood]

Palin not only held her own, she excelled. I can't wait to hear the detractors try to find fault.

[MTI]

She succeeded in not being what her handlers tried to make her.

Do you agree with that or disagree?

[A264172]

She did come across well.

Palin had much better audience response than Biden on CNN's non scientific like-o-meter at the start of the affair, though Biden turned the tide over the course of the event and ended up evoking the stronger response to his points from the focus group. Over all she defended her position well, and I think she would be a strong candidate if she didn't have to drag that millstone McCain to the finish line with her...

[raslaje]

Originally Posted by A264172

She did come across well.

Over all she defended her position well, and I think she would be a strong candidate if she didn't have to drag that millstone McCain to the finish line with her...

I thought they both were good. They seemed to genuinely like each other. Looked like Biden wanted to hug her when they finished.
Can we make the candidates switch so it becomes a Biden/Palen vs Obama/McCain or McCain/Obama contest?

[pawoSD]

She specifically avoided answering the real tough questions that would have made McCain look bad. Thats not the way to do it. You don't just ignore a question and give an unrelated answer. That was also McCain's strategy in the first presidential debate. Palin is only saying what they want her to, they've got her pretty well trained it seems.

You'd have to be InSane to vote McCain.

If you want the US to keep failin' vote for Palin.

Too easy.


Reading the facts on the stuff McCain wants to do gives away all his shady tactics.

The real issue is that the rich need to be taxed more and the middle class needs a big boost.

Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

I loved the part where Palin said her family is a "Middle Class" family. McCain thinks "rich" is 5+ million. How out of touch ARE these people?!

[mwood]

Originally Posted by pawoSD

She specifically avoided answering the real tough questions that would have made McCain look bad. Thats not the way to do it. You don't just ignore a question and give an unrelated answer. That was also McCain's strategy in the first presidential debate. Palin is only saying what they want her to, they've got her pretty well trained it seems.

You'd have to be InSane to vote McCain.

If you want the US to keep failin' vote for Palin.

Too easy.


Reading the facts on the stuff McCain wants to do gives away all his shady tactics.

The real issue is that the rich need to be taxed more and the middle class needs a big boost.

Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

I loved the part where Palin said her family is a "Middle Class" family. McCain thinks "rich" is 5+ million. How out of touch ARE these people?!

When you come up with a thought of your own get back to us.

[MTI]

Originally Posted by mwood

When you come up with a thought of your own get back to us.

Still trying to make friends in your own unique way.

[DieselAddict]

Originally Posted by pawoSD

Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

It's worse than that. Remember this is a $5000 tax credit, not a check. Depending on your income, the tax credit will most likely amount to a few hundred bucks. But you'll lose that from the cancellation of the tax credit on the employer-sponsored insurance. If you're lucky enough to retain your employer-sponsored insurance, your expense will go up. If you lose your employer-sponsored insurance, you're screwed because you won't be able to buy a $12,000 policy with the few hundred bucks that you'll get from the $5000 tax credit. It's more than a bridge to nowhere. It's an insult to intelligence. Only a complete moron would think this plan is a good idea.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

It's worse than that. Remember this is a $5000 tax credit, not a check. Depending on your income, the tax credit will most likely amount to a few hundred bucks. But you'll lose that from the cancellation of the tax credit on the employer-sponsored insurance. If you're lucky enough to retain your employer-sponsored insurance, your expense will go up. If you lose your employer-sponsored insurance, you're screwed because you won't be able to buy a $12,000 policy with the few hundred bucks that you'll get from the $5000 tax credit. It's more than a bridge to nowhere. It's an insult to intelligence. Only a complete moron would think this plan is a good idea.

exactly.

She did a nice job and did as trained to do....

But I agree...she did NOT answer the tough questions, and her immediate side step to speak on her percieved strong point...energy was pretty obvious. Some of the facts she spouted about what she has done in Alaska sound good unless you stop and think....repealing the gasoline tax....see, now I bet that is possible because of oil revinues flowing directly to the citizens. Thats a nice thing but here in Indiana we pay for our roads with gas taxes. Alaska has relatively few roads since the terrain makes them impossible in much of the state.

Lets face it, She has a great personality and has been a big shot of interest for the campaign overall, but she and mac are trying to paddle upstream in a tsunami of discontent with the horrible economy created by Republican policies.

What greater evidence is there than our current economic mess that the trickle down theory of economics is Voodoo Economics (as George hw Bush said when he was running agianst RRR in the primaries).

Anybody who says they believe that giving tax breaks to rich folks stimulates the economy is probably bare face lying....and for sure they are deluding themselves. Its an attractive lie though since we all want to believe it if we are the ones getting the tax break!

She did a nice job acting according to a script which has no substantive plusses to work with....same as Mac did in his debate with O.

Tom W

[AdvisorGuy]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

It's worse than that. Remember this is a $5000 tax credit, not a check. Depending on your income, the tax credit will most likely amount to a few hundred bucks. But you'll lose that from the cancellation of the tax credit on the employer-sponsored insurance. If you're lucky enough to retain your employer-sponsored insurance, your expense will go up. If you lose your employer-sponsored insurance, you're screwed because you won't be able to buy a $12,000 policy with the few hundred bucks that you'll get from the $5000 tax credit. It's more than a bridge to nowhere. It's an insult to intelligence. Only a complete moron would think this plan is a good idea.

Amen. My mom's "date of illness" was August 5, 1988. The date of filing for permanent disability was 11/1988. In that time, the company she worked at for 23+ years decided to "let her go" as with the remnants of the 80's had the corporation changed hands 3 times so the "cutbacks" worked up to her level. At that time, getting insurance coverage JUST FOR HER was $4700 per year. I can't see $5000 providing insurance for a family of 5 today....

Palin stuck to her talking points very well, I'll give her that. "I'm not gonna answer questions the way you or Senator Biden want me to". She stuck to her guns on those talking points that's for sure.

I forgot what talk show I was listening to this morning but both a high school English teacher and a college professor called in, both stating she sounded like a freshman that crammed for debate team conference.

[mwood]

Originally Posted by pawoSD

She specifically avoided answering the real tough questions that would have made McCain look bad. Thats not the way to do it. You don't just ignore a question and give an unrelated answer. That was also McCain's strategy in the first presidential debate. Palin is only saying what they want her to, they've got her pretty well trained it seems.

You'd have to be InSane to vote McCain.

If you want the US to keep failin' vote for Palin.

Too easy.


Reading the facts on the stuff McCain wants to do gives away all his shady tactics.

The real issue is that the rich need to be taxed more and the middle class needs a big boost.

Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

I loved the part where Palin said her family is a "Middle Class" family. McCain thinks "rich" is 5+ million. How out of touch ARE these people?!

Thats exactly how it's done. If you didn't hear Biden doing the exact same thing you weren't listening. Every politician, whether in a debate or interview do this and always have.

[pawoSD]

Originally Posted by mwood

Thats exactly how it's done. If you didn't hear Biden doing the exact same thing you weren't listening. Every politician, whether in a debate or interview do this and always have.

Biden ignored a couple smaller points, but did it with better skill, and the issues weren't nearly as significant. Palin blatantly avoided talking about McCain's record on deregulation and on energy, two super important issues. She also side stepped explaining the health care situation, where I think Biden really got her. People have only themselves to blame (this is pointed at the middle class, which I am in as well) for whats happening, they keep voting for the Republicans like a bunch of idiots, and then wonder why everything goes downhill for them.

Yesterday morning Obama was here in Grand Rapids and I went and saw him speak....as well as over 16,000 others....it was an amazing crowd and he made some excellent points in his speech. Here's a pic from the middle of the crowd, if you look really close you can see obama. He's under the red arrow.

[jplinville]

Originally Posted by pawoSD

Reading the facts on the stuff McCain wants to do gives away all his shady tactics.

The real issue is that the rich need to be taxed more and the middle class needs a big boost.


I loved the part where Palin said her family is a "Middle Class" family. McCain thinks "rich" is 5+ million. How out of touch ARE these people?!

Are you honestly saying that you would be happy to pay more in taxes if you were rich? Get a grip man!!

I, for one, am for abolishment of the income tax, and am also for a Federally mandated 20% sales tax. Those who make more, spend more...so they would then pay more in taxes. Those that make less habitually spend less...so they would pay less in taxes.

Make it fair across the board!

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by jplinville

Are you honestly saying that you would be happy to pay more in taxes if you were rich? Get a grip man!!

I, for one, am for abolishment of the income tax, and am also for a Federally mandated 20% sales tax. Those who make more, spend more...so they would then pay more in taxes. Those that make less habitually spend less...so they would pay less in taxes.

Make it fair across the board!

That's exactly the right approach -- tax consumption. People who consume are the burden, tax them.

[raymr]

Originally Posted by jplinville

Are you honestly saying that you would be happy to pay more in taxes if you were rich? Get a grip man!!

I, for one, am for abolishment of the income tax, and am also for a Federally mandated 20% sales tax. Those who make more, spend more...so they would then pay more in taxes. Those that make less habitually spend less...so they would pay less in taxes.

Make it fair across the board!

That's what FairTax is all about! It is designed to encourage savings, eliminate a bloated bureaucracy, and tax the underground economy and illegals - all at once.