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MS Fowler · #46 10-22-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Well, uhh, the Palin tack, aided and abetted by rightie radio, is not far from inciting a riot. A carefully calculated campaign of painting Obama treasonous, and her crowds have responded "appropriately." "Palling around with terrorists" indeed. Oh yeah, Ayers and Obama go out and try to pick up chicks together.

Palin and McCain want us to forget about the ancient history of Bush-o-mon and instead get aroused about the current situation involving the WEATHER UNDERGROUND.

Poor things. They're desperate.

I think this is a case of your ox being gored.

You see these questions about Obama as "not far from inciting to riot". Yet neither McCain, nor Palin has actually called for a riot.
This is clearly a freedom of speech issue. And let us remember that the 1st Amendment was intended to protect POLITICAL speech. We sometimes forget that as the 1st amendment gets used( abused) to preserve pornography and ofther things never viewed by the Founders.
The quote from a Palin rally to "kill him" has been investigated and found to have been an "invention" of the "journalist". Should that "journalist" be proscecuted for "inciting to riot"?

MS Fowler · #47 10-22-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

There's no easy answer to this. Do we allow people to blanket the airwaves with false slander? We know that shouting fire in a crowded theater is not legal, at what point does contrived slander on radio or TV deserve a face to face rebuttal? Limbaugh never has guests on his show, rarely appears anywhere else.

I'm not comfortable with someone having that much power to put out info and being completely unwilling to hear a rebuttal or to air a debate with anyone other than a carefully screened caller.

You make it sound as if you fully accept the biases of the other media news outlets as presenting a fair and objective news. Many surveys and studies have shown they have a leftweard/ democrat party bias. If their bias is understood, then Limbaugh, as he says, is the balance.

Botnst · #48 10-22-2008, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

There's no easy answer to this. Do we allow people to blanket the airwaves with false slander? We know that shouting fire in a crowded theater is not legal, at what point does contrived slander on radio or TV deserve a face to face rebuttal? Limbaugh never has guests on his show, rarely appears anywhere else.

I'm not comfortable with someone having that much power to put out info and being completely unwilling to hear a rebuttal or to air a debate with anyone other than a carefully screened caller.

Nah, just true slander.

If you want to get an alternative to Limbaugh you have 2 choices. The first is to do what he did: Find a shtick that people want to hear and then court sponsors. Start in a local market, refine your method, stay true to your message, and work your ass off. The second is to find lots of money from committed loyalists to your cause and get them to bankroll your venture.

Both are risky, Remember that Limbaugh wasn't an overnight success.Going his route takes a lot of time and hard work. Going the giant bankroll route takes a giant bankroll.

Good luck and get to work.

B

MS Fowler · #49 10-22-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Nah, just true slander.

If you want to get an alternative to Limbaugh you have 2 choices. The first is to do what he did: Find a shtick that people want to hear and then court sponsors. Start in a local market, refine your method, stay true to your message, and work your ass off. The second is to find lots of money from committed loyalists to your cause and get them to bankroll your venture.

Both are risky, Remember that Limbaugh wasn't an overnight success.Going his route takes a lot of time and hard work. Going the giant bankroll route takes a giant bankroll.

Good luck and get to work.

B

....OR, you could have the people in Congress mandating that you get the same percs as Limbaugh w/o all the hard work.

Sort of how some veggie groups tried to force Burger King to offer vegan sandwiches. Rather than do the hard work of actually running a business and selling the vegan sandwiches, they tried to strong-arm BK into doing it. Lazy!

cmac2012 · #50 10-22-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I think this is a case of your ox being gored.

You see these questions about Obama as "not far from inciting to riot". Yet neither McCain, nor Palin has actually called for a riot.
This is clearly a freedom of speech issue. And let us remember that the 1st Amendment was intended to protect POLITICAL speech. We sometimes forget that as the 1st amendment gets used( abused) to preserve pornography and ofther things never viewed by the Founders.
The quote from a Palin rally to "kill him" has been investigated and found to have been an "invention" of the "journalist". Should that "journalist" be proscecuted for "inciting to riot"?

We'll never really know if that remark was shouted by some crank or invented, just as we'll never know for certain on many other points.

Freedom of speech has limits -- fire in a theater, etc.

Call it what you want, the McCain/Plain approach is tawdry. After 8 years of Bush-o-mon disaster and this crowd is still throaty and lustful in their belief that Repos, heirs to the great Reagan all, alone have the right stuff.

Oh well, crowds and mobs have been foolish for eons.

cmac2012 · #51 10-22-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Nah, just true slander.

If you want to get an alternative to Limbaugh you have 2 choices. The first is to do what he did: Find a shtick that people want to hear and then court sponsors. Start in a local market, refine your method, stay true to your message, and work your ass off. The second is to find lots of money from committed loyalists to your cause and get them to bankroll your venture.

Both are risky, Remember that Limbaugh wasn't an overnight success.Going his route takes a lot of time and hard work. Going the giant bankroll route takes a giant bankroll.

Good luck and get to work.

If it's true, wouldn't be slander, now would it? Alternative to Limbaugh? Naw, I just want Limbaugh to grow up and find the courage to enter actual debate. Hasn't done so thus far.

LUVMBDiesels · #52 10-22-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I demand equal cartoon time. It's only "fair."

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2008/10/21/

Enjoy this while you can...

Botnst · #53 10-22-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

If it's true, wouldn't be slander, now would it? Alternative to Limbaugh? Naw, I just want Limbaugh to grow up and find the courage to enter actual debate. Hasn't done so thus far.

Then you recognize that false slander is an oxymoron, right?

You want the force of government to impose your will on Limbaugh's political speech.

How illiberal of you.

B

MS Fowler · #54 10-22-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

We'll never really know if that remark was shouted by some crank or invented, just as we'll never know for certain on many other points.

Freedom of speech has limits -- fire in a theater, etc.

Call it what you want, the McCain/Plain approach is tawdry. After 8 years of Bush-o-mon disaster and this crowd is still throaty and lustful in their belief that Repos, heirs to the great Reagan all, alone have the right stuff.

Oh well, crowds and mobs have been foolish for eons.

PLEASE! Do not associate this current crop of repubs with any true Conservative. The country club repubs like conservatives well enough to let us vote for them, but not well enough to actually have any idealogical input. The current crop of repubs are reduced to being " me too, but better" liberals.....
We can fix the economy just like the libverals, but better.
We can do National health care just like the libs, but better, smarter.
We can provide bail outs for large companies just like liberals, but better.

None of these would pass muster with a true conservative, as far as I know.
True conservatives would be very hesitant to go off to foreign wars, too.

LUVMBDiesels · #55 10-22-2008, 05:29 PM

What we need is the fairness doctrine. Then we need a huge Government Agency maybe called 'Information Security' InfoSec will then look at every newspaper, radio show, TV show, pod cast, blog, satellite show, etc to make sure that it lived up to what the Government deems fair. Wait, I take that back, what they will need to do is BAN pod casts, blogs, web comics, etc (like they do in China) so that the amount of information is down to a level that InfoSec can handle on a daily basis. I still see InfoSec as an agency with a staff probably as big as DHS (125000 and growing) so we get a work program and jobs while 'protecting free speech!

A win for all!

Of course if you violate the FD, InfoSec will put you into a 'Happy Camp' to learn the error of your ways...

Chris Bell · #56 10-22-2008, 06:36 PM

This is the direction we're heading. Don't you dare to dissent.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10779456

pj67coll · #57 10-22-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

'Information Security' InfoSec will then look at every newspaper, radio show, TV show, pod cast, blog, satellite show, etc to make sure that it lived up to what the Government deems fair.

InfoSec. Brilliant. Eventually if we are really lucky and the party gains sufficient control they will be able to incorporate all such functions under one munificent government beaurocracy. We can call it the "Ministry of Truth" and it can decide everything for us. That way nobody will have to worry about anything any more and any dissent can be dealt with at "thoughtcrime". And then... oh wait, that's already been thought of.

- Peter.

LUVMBDiesels · #58 10-22-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

This is the direction we're heading. Don't you dare to dissent.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10779456

Wow a use for those 10mpg SUVs!

Seriously, I would have washed the signs off the truck if I were that family. Then I would oh, I don't know flatten the tires? Take the tires off and leave the truck on blocks? Put a "tow and keep it for free "sign on the windshield?
Found who owns it and paid a towing company to haul it back to their house?

I liked the part in the article about all the signs being stolen too. Gee reminds me of the German Election of 1933...

cmac2012 · #59 10-25-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2008/10/21/

Enjoy this while you can...

Get real. Bush and crew have enabled terrorist recruitment greatly while weakening our country in putting us deeply in hock to China and others in pursuit of his supremacist war. McCain is of the same crowd.

cmac2012 · #60 10-25-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Then you recognize that false slander is an oxymoron, right?

You want the force of government to impose your will on Limbaugh's political speech.

How illiberal of you.

Yes it is an oxymoron, as opposed to an ox-moron, like Limbaugh. I am deeply ashamed to have made such an error and I realize that my POV has been irrevocably marginalized as a result.

DOHHH!!!

I don't want to silence Limbaugh. I had a notion the other day. Perhaps any and every opinion show on the public airwaves should be required to devote a quarter of its airtime, including the normal ratio of commercials, to an equal time debate with opponents, of the sort I have long dreamt of, something like speed chess, where each person has the same time to talk, and they hit a timer when they've spoken as much as they want. Have you seen speed chess timers? You turn your time off and the other guy's time goes on automatically. This would prevent filibustering.

We don't need the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Franken creating panics in the public thoroughfare with their dishonest rabble rousing.