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cmac2012 · #61 10-25-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

PLEASE! Do not associate this current crop of repubs with any true Conservative. The country club repubs like conservatives well enough to let us vote for them, but not well enough to actually have any ideological input. The current crop of repubs are reduced to being " me too, but better" liberals.....
We can fix the economy just like the liberals, but better.
We can do National health care just like the libs, but better, smarter.
We can provide bail outs for large companies just like liberals, but better.

None of these would pass muster with a true conservative, as far as I know.
True conservatives would be very hesitant to go off to foreign wars, too.

Believe it or not, I agree with just about all of that. I find much to like in true conservatism. I'm no Ayn Rand-er but I believe that altruism and social projects should be undertaken with great care with a heavy helping of tough love mixed in. The welfare state here at its peak had to stop.

And believing that we can fine tune other nations' dysfunction with the blunt instrument of war is whack.

Botnst · #62 10-25-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Yes it is an oxymoron, as opposed to an ox-moron, like Limbaugh. I am deeply ashamed to have made such an error and I realize that my POV has been irrevocably marginalized as a result.

DOHHH!!!

I don't want to silence Limbaugh. I had a notion the other day. Perhaps any and every opinion show on the public airwaves should be required to devote a quarter of its airtime, including the normal ratio of commercials, to an equal time debate with opponents, of the sort I have long dreamt of, something like speed chess,....

Who pays the air time?

LUVMBDiesels · #63 10-25-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

InfoSec. Brilliant. Eventually if we are really lucky and the party gains sufficient control they will be able to incorporate all such functions under one munificent government beaurocracy. We can call it the "Ministry of Truth" and it can decide everything for us. That way nobody will have to worry about anything any more and any dissent can be dealt with at "thoughtcrime". And then... oh wait, that's already been thought of.

- Peter.

Peter, I see it going further than that, How about we take my InfoSec dept, roll it into Dept of Justice, and the IRS and come up with the Department of Internal Security? InSec could then tell you what to think, read, say - back it up with the FBI and take you to the internal IRS courts if they think you have violated the rules.

At the same time the party could get rid of the opposition parties like they did in Cuba by saying "All aspects of the political spectrum are represented in the party - therefore there is no need for other parties." -- Direct quote from "LaPrensa" in Havana

cmac2012 · #64 10-27-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Then you recognize that false slander is an oxymoron, right?

Actually, "false slander" would more accurately be described as 'redundant,' wouldn't it? "True slander" would be an oxymoron but no one uses that phrase and I'm guessing that to be an oxymoron, a phrase would need to be something that people would tend to use now and then, otherwise it's just gibberish.

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Who pays the air time?

I think the show would be more interesting and attract more listeners if actual, fair shootouts were a regular feature. Do you think Limbaugh's sponsors would desert him under the arrangement I suggest? I don't.

azimuth · #65 10-27-2008, 11:15 PM

Why can't folks be free to run their legitimate business the way they see fit?

cmac2012 · #66 10-27-2008, 11:23 PM

Inciting mobs to violence is not covered under the heading of "legitimate business." Limbaugh doesn't do that exactly but it comes close.

Hannity is as bad or worse. He gets on his TV show and implies, states, etc. that Obama is dissing our troops big-time by saying that they're bombing civilians in Afghanistan. Only trouble is, they are, if you believe SecDef Gates.

Hatred of Obama has been ramped up big time by McCain/Plain and talk radio and hanger-on wanna bes.

I got an e-mail forward from my mother (in rural Utah) forwarded to her by a relative in Kansas, going on about how Muslims couldn't be trusted to be loyal Americans, ending with the startling revelation that Obama had said -- oh hell, here it is, minus the first 3/4ths:

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand .. . And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President? You have GOT to be kidding! Wake up America !

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran---not a Bible! Footnote: He was sworn in on the Quran for his current office and he refuses to pledge allegiance to the United States or put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is played! The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. Hello! Having a Muslim president would seem to fit the bill! Will you trust this man with our national secrets?

SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

Please don't delete this until you send it on. Everyone on the planet needs to read this.

azimuth · #67 10-27-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Inciting mobs to violence is not covered under the heading of "legitimate business." Limbaugh doesn't do that exactly but it comes close.

Hannity is as bad or worse. He gets on his TV show and implies, states, etc. that Obama is dissing our troops big-time by saying that they're bombing civilians in Afghanistan. Only trouble is, they are, if you believe SecDef Gates.

Hatred of Obama has been ramped up big time by McCain/Plain and talk radio and hanger-on wanna bes.

I got an e-mail forward from my mother (in rural Utah) forwarded to her by a relative in Kansas, going on about how Muslims couldn't be trusted to be loyal Americans, ending with the startling revelation that Obama had said -- oh hell, here it is, minus the first 3/4ths:

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand .. . And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President? You have GOT to be kidding! Wake up America !

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran---not a Bible! Footnote: He was sworn in on the Quran for his current office and he refuses to pledge allegiance to the United States or put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is played! The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. Hello! Having a Muslim president would seem to fit the bill! Will you trust this man with our national secrets?

SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

Please don't delete this until you send it on. Everyone on the planet needs to read this.

When has Limbaugh or any other of the usual suspects ever incited a riot?

Has Al Sharpton ever done that?

While certainly incendiary and doubtlessly a distortion, your Mama's email has nothing to do with the euphamistically titled Fairness Doctrine...or would you have dissent suppressed too?

cmac2012 · #68 10-27-2008, 11:39 PM

No riots yet but people are trying to kill Obama, and Hannity and Limbaugh are among the fore-front in the hate stirring dept. I pray no harm comes to him as the rioting could be seriously unpleasant.

Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage are rabble rousers, truth twisters, etc. It's in the proverbial 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' province IMO.

azimuth · #69 10-27-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

No riots yet but people are trying to kill Obama, and Hannity and Limbaugh are among the fore-front in the hate stirring dept. I pray no harm comes to him as the rioting could be seriously unpleasant.

Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage are rabble rousers, truth twisters, etc. It's in the proverbial 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' province IMO.

Oh brother, those loons would have tried to kill him regardless. They are ideologically opposed to Obama, they a racially opposed to him. Limbaugh et al debate ideologically.

AustinsCE · #70 10-27-2008, 11:51 PM

Michael Reagan called for the torture and death of Mark Dice. Limbaugh started the whole childish 'operation chaos' campaign. Beck called for the death of 9/11 activists.

azimuth · #71 10-27-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinsCE

Michael Reagan called for the torture and death of Mark Dice. Limbaugh started the whole childish 'operation chaos' campaign. Beck called for the death of 9/11 activists.

Quotes in context please on the torture and deaths. Operation chaos was hardly inciting a riot.

tankdriver · #72 10-28-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Inciting mobs to violence is not covered under the heading of "legitimate business." Limbaugh doesn't do that exactly but it comes close.

Hannity is as bad or worse. He gets on his TV show and implies, states, etc. that Obama is dissing our troops big-time by saying that they're bombing civilians in Afghanistan. Only trouble is, they are, if you believe SecDef Gates.

Hatred of Obama has been ramped up big time by McCain/Plain and talk radio and hanger-on wanna bes.

I got an e-mail forward from my mother (in rural Utah) forwarded to her by a relative in Kansas, going on about how Muslims couldn't be trusted to be loyal Americans, ending with the startling revelation that Obama had said -- oh hell, here it is, minus the first 3/4ths:

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand .. . And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President? You have GOT to be kidding! Wake up America !

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran---not a Bible! Footnote: He was sworn in on the Quran for his current office and he refuses to pledge allegiance to the United States or put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is played! The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. Hello! Having a Muslim president would seem to fit the bill! Will you trust this man with our national secrets?

SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

Please don't delete this until you send it on. Everyone on the planet needs to read this.

What was your response?

cmac2012 · #73 10-28-2008, 01:14 AM

I e-mailed and called my mother, telling her that the 'Obama is a Muslim, swears oath on Quran, etc.' stuff has been circulated widely and has been about as widely refuted. My mother has a big and kind heart but, Good Lord, she is easily swayed by the conservative Mormon crowd she's married into (she's actually a life-long Mormon but her new husband, a decent fellow, lured her to Grantsville, UT, and Utah is about as red as it gets).

I'm going to prepare a mild response for the relative in Kansas -- mild as she's 90+ -- I'm going to try to calm her fears cause I'm not too wild about a woman that age being filled with that sort of fear, especially since Obama could very well win.

MS Fowler · #74 10-28-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

No riots yet but people are trying to kill Obama, and Hannity and Limbaugh are among the fore-front in the hate stirring dept. I pray no harm comes to him as the rioting could be seriously unpleasant.

Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage are rabble rousers, truth twisters, etc. It's in the proverbial 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' province IMO.

I listen to a couple of hours of Limbaugh every week, so I may have missed his rioit-inciting hate speech. But based on what I have heard, I would say that Rush's opposition to Obama is purely political, and not personal.

Are you willing to say that ANY opposition to Obama is, by definition, "hate-speech"? If so, you have essentially destroyed the 1st amendment.

As for "inciting to riot" that would be a pretty close defiiniton of tthat Pentagon bomber, Bill Ayers, an affiliate of Obama.

AustinsCE · #75 10-28-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by azimuth

Quotes in context please on the torture and deaths. Operation chaos was hardly inciting a riot.

I didn't say it was inciting a riot. But it certainly would have had it worked. However:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/detail.html

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DENVER -- Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is sparking controversy again after he made comments that appear to call for riots in Denver during the Democratic National Convention this summer.

He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens.

"Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don't elect Democrats," Limbaugh said during Wednesday's radio broadcast. He then went on to say that's the best thing that could happen to the country.

He tried to back out, but that's pretty clear.

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Several callers called in to the radio show to denounce Limbaugh's comments, when he later stated, "I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver."

Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called part of "Operation Chaos," the people on the far left would look bad.

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“ We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that’s what they are, and you shoot them dead. I’ll pay for the bullets.” - Michael Reagan, 6-10-08

“ How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don’t blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice.” - Michael Reagan, 6-10-08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N4V3imUv2k

Glenn Beck said he wants to kill Michael Moore, on air. Actually, he just calls 911 activists anarchists. I got ahead of myself, but he did say he'd kill Michael Moore.

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From the May 17 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.