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Old 12-25-2008, 08:19 PM
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Well when Iraq's parliment votes us out we will leave.
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Well when Iraq's parliment votes us out we will leave.
I think we should. My War Hero son spent 2 years in Afghanistan. Lets bring our troops home.
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If we hadn't blundered in to Iraq we wouldn't have to be asked to leave.

Iraq will be like Viet Nam and Somalia, tens of thousands dead, billions in costs and damages, and in the end all we got was run out by a bunch of natives in sandals and a source for cheap tennis shoes. Boy, we showed them who is boss.
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Old 12-25-2008, 09:04 PM
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You missed the subtle point of my post. When they vote us out.
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Old 12-25-2008, 09:16 PM
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You missed the subtle point of my post. When they vote us out.
So subtle that it's entirely irrelevant. Since we've achieved absolutely nothing during the entire misadventure, who cares whether a dysfunctional "elective" body makes or doesn't make a statement about who we are or where we exist? We've lost no matter what transpires between now and when we drag our sorry a$$es home in a sling.
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Whether they 'vote' us out or run us out the end result is the same-it was all for nought. If Al Qieda and the Taliban were clever they would have laid low for a couple of years until America had rebuilt their country and left. Then ease back in and take over the place without firing a shot, so to speak.

You will notice that under Hussane there was no terrorism in the area. Sadam ran Bin Laden out in the early 1990's because he didn't want the threat of a religious rival. That is when Bin Laden went to Afghanistan. We actually backed Sadam in the Iraq/Iran war. Remember the famous picture of Rumsfield shaking hands with Sadam in 1983. That's when we were supplying him with arms and refueling bases in Saudi so that his jets could come down to Hormus and Larac islands and bomb the ships that I was pumping out.

Granted Sadam was no Mr. Nice Guy and you certainly wouldn't want your sister to marry him, but he ran a stable country that supplied the US with oil and employed US oil companies to drill. He made billions for this country and that is what Reagan and Bush sr. wanted, and it worked. No one gave a rat's ass that Sadam was killing his own people or that a million people died in the Iraq/Iran war. They were only a bunch of little brown rag heads living in the 14 th. century who were running around in the desert and who had not figured out how to use a fork and toilet paper.

Then here came the US who was going to show democracy to a bunch of people who, one, didn't want it, and two, didn't have a clue about how to make it work. They had a form of capitalism that worked and a dictatorship, what more could they ask for? Okay, maybe cheap Leivs, but nothing more complicated than that.

We are going to spend probably upwards of $3 trillion before we are out of there and more hundreds of billions repairing our military and the military personnel. And when we leave we will leave the same impression as if you stuck you hand in a bucket of water and pulled it out. Remember Somalia and Viet Nam? Read about the British rout from Afghanistan in the 1800s. These people beat Britain, they beat Russia, and they will for sure beat the US.

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Well I guess replacing Saddam with the only elected government in the Middle East doesn't count for much. Tough crowed.
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If you think its actually a functional democratic government ......

Well, I don't quite know what to say.

I seriously doubt it, though.
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Old 12-26-2008, 12:48 AM
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If we hadn't blundered in to Iraq we wouldn't have to be asked to leave.

Iraq will be like Viet Nam and Somalia, tens of thousands dead, billions in costs and damages, and in the end all we got was run out by a bunch of natives in sandals and a source for cheap tennis shoes. Boy, we showed them who is boss.
You maybe proven right.

Or it could turn out like Germany, Japan, Italy, and South Korea. Stable, liberal democracies with their own national adaptation to the basic principle.

Which would be better for the world, an Arab democracy or another oil-rich despotic arab state run by a murderous megalomaniac who had publicly and privately stated his intention of resuming nuclear development once the UN sanctions were lifted?
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Which would be better for the world, an Arab democracy or another oil-rich despotic arab state run by a murderous megalomaniac who had publicly and privately stated his intention of resuming nuclear development once the UN sanctions were lifted?
I guess I'd prefer you conjure up a more compelling argument for waging a needless elective war against a loudmouth possessing no ability to follow up with his inflated claims. More than silly
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Old 12-26-2008, 03:07 AM
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You missed the subtle point of my post. When they vote us out.
It seems like you're suggesting that WE don't have any say in it. Interesting.
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Old 12-26-2008, 03:40 AM
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Or it could turn out like Germany, Japan, Italy, and South Korea. Stable, liberal democracies with their own national adaptation to the basic principle.

Which would be better for the world, an Arab democracy or another oil-rich despotic arab state run by a murderous megalomaniac who had publicly and privately stated his intention of resuming nuclear development once the UN sanctions were lifted?
Your repetitive example of the countries named, shows very little development in your understanding of the situation.
Democracy & Force can probably be considered as the apex of oxymoron and hypocrisy.

What admirable nonchalance in your description, suggesting the dropping of a couple of A-bombs, or alternative carpet bombing of relevant civilizations including subsequent starvation, as the proper implementation and/or humble beginnings of “stable, liberal democracies”.

With minds like this, I am unsurprised about the continued, rapidly progressing decay on our own soil.

It sounds about as “megalomaniacal” to me as it can be.
I just wonder if it has ever occurred to any of those minds, that the current economical situation may have something to do with our extended stay in this glamorous but sandy region.

It’s rather clownish, to pretentiously claim concern for “the world”, while its very own society is nearing toward a grass bite with frightening acceleration.

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