My girlfriend is telling me that the US only signed early protocals of the Genova Convention but never signed the final draft.

Is this correct? Or something like this?

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OK, just found some info on the net. The US has signed all the protocals but Congress has not ratified all of them. Especially the 1977 Protocal was signed but never ratified by Congress. I am still checking it out but it seems that this protocal relates to rules of warefare or something to the like.

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I think you mean Geneva Convention, anyway, Guantanamo isn't the first time the US has skirted international law in the treatment of POWs. Eisenhower and Truman did the same thing on a much larger scale to German POWs at the end of WWII. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces

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WGAS? Nobody we fight with will really follow it anyways so what good will it do?

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The Germans did treat US prisoners according to the convention. They did not extend the same to Soviet prisoners, as the Soviet Union had not signed the convention.

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Really? IIRC, conditions at POW camps whichever side you are on is always a problem but from what I understand, the Germans tended to play on the rougher side of the fence when it came to prisoners of war.

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A large number of German prisoners that were transfered to the US and Canada stayed. They were treated very well.

Our pilots were treated very well in Germany mostly because of the fat guy. If he did nothing else good he made sure our captured pilots were treated well.

But you have to remember the Germans were regular people, the people we fight these days are animals and are not like us. They will drag our soilders through the streets if given the chance, like in Africa. Our weak point is we are not willing to kill enough of them so they don't do that.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre

(Not that the Germans had a monopoly on mistreatment of POW's)

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Right... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_massacre.

There isn't any question that the incident at Malmedy violated the terms of the Geneva Convention. The Allies however tried to claim that the treatment of German "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in the POW pens of the Rhineland were NOT a violation. That's the distinction.

American POWs typically survived their internment in Germany and were monitored by the Red Cross. Even American-Jewish POWs.

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Winners try war criminals and determine violations. Losers don't.

That's a different matter and hardly comes as news to me.

To repeat the point, Guantanamo Bay is not the first time that the United States has sought to avoid the conventions of war relative to the treatment of prisoners, by simply calling the "prisoners of war" by another name.

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Do you know the definition of a prisoner of war, according to the Conventions signed and ratified by the USA? Do you know what the definition of a legal enemy combatant is?

Get back to me when you look that up then we can talk about those folks at Gitmo.

I think the liberals call them "jaywalkers". They can't believe why we have them detained.....

I ask anybody who thinks Gitmo should be closed, do you think it is okay to release these "innocents" on the streets of Miami? If not, why not?

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What is the definition of POW and will those detainees fit the defined description?

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There's no such legal term as an "illegal enemy combatant". That was an invented term of the Bush administration that was used as a loophole to engage in things that were unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court has spoken against it. There are only prisoners of war and common criminals. Stateless terrorists fall in the latter category, like it or not.

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