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Old 02-20-2009, 02:01 PM
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Cars without a GPS would pay a penalty at the pump.
The biggest obstacle I see to a tax by mile would be the oil companies. They would be required to install a GPS reader on every pump and a device that adjusts the tax accordingly. And the station owner would be required to submit regular documentation that the correct tax had been collected and paid to the g'ment.
What pump would an electric car be using?
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What pump would an electric car be using?
An all electric car would obviously not use fuel from a pump.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:57 PM
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Michigan has roads that will swallow a smart car, Michigan also has no toll roads that I know of, if I had to spend a couple hundred a year on tolls in lieu of new struts and ball joints every year I would be a happy man.

I rode thru Mich. some years ago on two wheels and I thought every road in the state was under construction. Worst stretch was the run out to Lansing from Detroit. What a mess. That was 10 yrs ago. Guess they packed up and went home...permanently.
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Old 02-20-2009, 03:11 PM
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I rode thru Mich. some years ago on two wheels and I thought every road in the state was under construction. Worst stretch was the run out to Lansing from Detroit. What a mess. That was 10 yrs ago. Guess they packed up and went home...permanently.
I-96 from Lansing to Detroit is one of the better roads, where it gets nasty is in the cities...never ever ever ever hit an unknown puddle because you never know whats beneath it I know of a newer Cadillac that was totalled last spring due to a submerged pothole. I'm sure there were many others.
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Old 02-20-2009, 03:13 PM
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Just slap 5 or ten cents on to each gallon of gas..

So what, you have to pay an extra 50 cnets to a dollar per fill up. Why do you think fuel is so expensive in europe! Tax!

Nobody is driving electric cars, nor do I think that enough people will be in the near future that would necessitate forcing us all to record our mileage. So even if 10% of America drives a Prius, there are still 20% of us driving useless SUVs..it should still even out. Fuel mileage hasn't gotten that much better over the last 10 years...I'd say with the SUV craze, the average mpg of America is probably down!

Just more government bs, if you ask me.
"Just slap on another tax. " How about force the government to spend only what "We, the People..." tell them they can spend. I am getting so sick of this ruling class mentality. This country was set up for citizen involvement, for citizen-legislaots. It has grown to where we now have an elite ruling aristocracy that believe they are entitled to their positions, and we better not complain.
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This thread is completely useless. Did you all miss the first line of the article that says "President Barack Obama will not adopt a policy to tax motorists based on how many miles they drive instead of how much gasoline they buy"?
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Old 02-20-2009, 03:39 PM
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The highway infrastructure needs constant maintenence. With drivers using less fuel and the advent of cars that use no fuel, revenue has fallen short of what is needed.
What do you nay sayers propose? That our highways just continue to deteriorate? Raise fuel taxes while the public moves to electric cars?
The government has a $3T+ budget each year, if they can't figure out how to fix the roads out of a budget like that...well they are not going to get fixed.
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This thread is completely useless. Did you all miss the first line of the article that says "President Barack Obama will not adopt a policy to tax motorists based on how many miles they drive instead of how much gasoline they buy"?
Did you see the dateline of that article?

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That was added this afternoon. It was not in the article when the thread was started.
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:32 PM
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The government has a $3T+ budget each year, if they can't figure out how to fix the roads out of a budget like that...well they are not going to get fixed.
And every penny is spoken for. The feds give the gas tax money back to the states to maintain federal highways. If less tax is collected, then less money is available to the states. Or not?
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:37 PM
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If less tax is collected, then less money is available to the states. Or not?
And if gas tax money is not spent on other things, more money is available to the states fund. Or not?
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When I can't pay for something I need, I have to modify my budget....

Obama's just playing a game with the jackass public. He really does plan on a CO2 tax, which covers everything everyone does 24hrs a day. Besides, he said the stimulus bill needed to be signed immediately, after saying he will never do that sort of thing, always give time to read bills, I think 5 days he said? Then to top it off, went on holiday after it was rushed through. Only an idiot still trusts anything this doosh says.
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And if gas tax money is not spent on other things, more money is available to the states fund. Or not?
That's true. But is the gas tax spent on other things by the Feds?
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Did you see the dateline of that article?



That was added this afternoon. It was not in the article when the thread was started.
No I didn't notice. That makes more sense now I suppose. It still doesn't change the point that this thread is irrelevant.
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:18 PM
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And every penny is spoken for. The feds give the gas tax money back to the states to maintain federal highways. If less tax is collected, then less money is available to the states. Or not?
Than maybe they need to spend it more wisely. Take $2.5B from ACRON and pave some highways.

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