Is it? Don't plants, animals, and other biological matter continue to fossilize and create more oil? I don't know, just asking.

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I believe you moved his first down line.

Not that anybody can demonstrate. But there's lots of speculation.

That's what I was doing; speculating.

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As Bot pointed out, oil is finite. And there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that we've hit peak production. Most of the huge oil fields throughout the world are declining, Canterell, North Sea, Gawawar, North Slope of Alaska, Venezeula. Currently the world is pumping about 85 million barrels of oil a day. We will probably never be able to pump more than that, and output will begin to decline in the not to distant future. Yet we continue to pour billions into "transportation" projects that amount to nothing but building more roads instead of looking for better more effiecient way to move people. Much of Hussiens stimulus bill will continue to spend billions on a transportaiton system that is likly to be obsolute in the not to distant future. By the way did you get the phrase "great disruption" from Kunstler?

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Please. Progress will not be easy. I don't see any first down line that's etched in stone at this point.

Put your shoulder to the wheel bro man. It's easy to criticize.

What is your project that will uplift the country you say you love?

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Unleash free enterprise, reduce government intrusion in citizens' lives, enhance liberty in this country and around the world.

What is yours?

B

Like rejecting Jesus Christ, as Savior/God????.........

LIB'S................................= mental disorder.......

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1997 2500 Dodge Ram 5.9 Cummins 12 Valve 36 PSI of Boost = 400+hp & 800+tQ .. ..Greenspeed

2004 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab Cummins 5.9 H.O "596hp/1225tq" 6 spd. Man. Leather Heated seats/Loaded..Flame Red....GREENSPEED

Global warming...Doing my part, Smokin da hippies..

Fight the good fight!......

Uhh, the piece I linked to in the OP, the article I thought maybe we'd be discussing here, uses that towards the end. You have read it, right?

Have you read my posts in the past? I argue regularly for adopting a lifestyle that uses way, way less petro than we do currently. I lived off and on for a few years at Harbin Hot Springs, on 1,000 acres outside of Middletown, CA, just north of Napa & Calistoga. I drove once or twice a week, usually a few miles at a time, and walked for everything else. Good Lord, I got in great shape. I'd be there yet but for a complex set of reasons.

However, autos will be built around the world for some time, I predict. Ignoring all of that infrastructure doesn't strike me as prudent.

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You can't build trains or people movers to everyones houses. Get real. All-electric cars that go 100 miles per charge are right around the corner. Here's an example of new thinking. It still uses roads, tunnels, and bridges, but no gas stations.

Aptera

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and then what?

sing kumbayah around the campfire and wait for the messiah to show up?

don't you realize that all you do is repeat dogma?

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I have a free enterprise project of my own that I'm working on. Have you? Check out my thread on an example of how not enough govt. intrusion in citizen's lives can be a bad thing:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=246948

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Need to remind the resident leftists that their Husein Bambi put over 8,000 earmarks in his largest ever, two trillion dollar welfare-pork spending plan.

Funny thing.......Husein Bambi campaigned on "No EARMARKS" if elected! ...

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funny thing, i think his name is barack obama? whats with the bambi thing? and the husein thing is kind of old and tired too?

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"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

Unless you think we are destined for personal aircraft in the near future, roads will be used even if cars don't burn gas anymore. And good luck trying to force everyone onto some mass transit system that doesn't use roads. Americans have proven that they like to get around in their own vehicles at their own convenience.
Or are you suggesting people will no longer need/desire to travel in the near future?



The point of the article as I see it is that we may be facing a paradigm shift. Our model may have proven to be wrong. It took 50 years, but maybe the business community is wrong. This is a different point than one of viewing the current crisis as a normal downturn of normal (albeit aided) market fluctuation. Perhaps this is not a depression, but an indication of failure. To me that is a much more interesting point.

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