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Old 05-23-2009, 12:34 PM
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Thanks for the reply.

> Your $40/hr idea, who pays for it?

The taxpayers.

> A fulled seated jury would cost over $500/hr…

What is a “fulled”? Anyway, try again. $40 per hour x 12 jurors = $480 per hour.

> then what about a sequestered jury? $12000/day

$40 per hour per juror per hour x 12 jurors = $3,840 per 8 hour day. If they are sequestered they should be comparably compensated for that as well. Probably on the same way that people who work at fire stations receive for compensation. I don’t think that anything but the most incompetent or corrupt accounting, that would add up to “$12000/day”

> Does that make me a 'moronic loser'?

Your display of skills has well served your question.



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Old 05-23-2009, 12:37 PM
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> Think about it. If you want well-paid mercenaries on the jury, be prepared to be the Defendant who can only afford to pay $1/hour ($12/hour for a twelve-member jury) sitting opposite the Prosecutor, backed by the local Treasury who offers $40/hour.

You are using specious logic. The defendant does not pay in our system, except in the most important and most extreme way of having to deal with a contemptible, underpaid jury.

> Jurors, selected from the 'peers' for each trial, are the best weapon to defend against "a shameful abuse of power" by a sitting judge who is paid to impose his personal viewpoints on you!

I agreed that jurors are a good thing. But we don’t get peers. Most peers will find a way to get out of jury duty. Mostly only those who can’t get out end up on juries, except in the cases such as the person who commented before you. Maybe that’s your idea of a peer, but it’s not mine.

Jurors should be fairly compensated. If you don’t comprehend that, it’s your problem. I’ll make it easy for you: If your derriere was on the line, would you rather have fairly paid group deciding, or people who hate you because you’ve taken their freedom from them? The choice is yours. I’ll take well paid help every time.

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Old 05-23-2009, 12:44 PM
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Absolutely correct!! A lawyer like MTI familiar with juries would have correctly caught that.


A statement like that would ENRAGE a Judge if he ever saw it. They LOVE to make an example out of people that pull carp like that.

With the the BENEFITS of American citizenship, come some BURDENS.


Jury Duty is one of these.


Don't like it?


Then go live in some other country that doesn't have it.
Yup. Would have in the county I live in. The judge would have had this guy hauled in, and done it post haste too.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:49 PM
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Thanks for the reply.

> Your $40/hr idea, who pays for it?
I sat on a 12-man/woman civil jury trial in November last year for $40 a day. Five days service, plus the $6 for the 1st day. Glad to have served, would do it again when needed.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:59 PM
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Thanks for the reply.

> Your $40/hr idea, who pays for it?

The taxpayers.

> A fulled seated jury would cost over $500/hr…

What is a “fulled”? Anyway, try again. $40 per hour x 12 jurors = $480 per hour.

> then what about a sequestered jury? $12000/day

$40 per hour per juror per hour x 12 jurors = $3,840 per 8 hour day. If they are sequestered they should be comparably compensated for that as well. Probably on the same way that people who work at fire stations receive for compensation. I don’t think that anything but the most incompetent or corrupt accounting, that would add up to “$12000/day”

> Does that make me a 'moronic loser'?

Your display of skills has well served your question.

Dude, your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Most jury selections for trial include at least one alternate, and in many cases two.

What makes you think that the time spent in a sequestered hotel should be compensated at a lesser rate than time in the courtroom? 13 jurors at $40/hr for 24 hrs is $12480. Incompetent or corrupt....seems like your 'moronic loser' comment, applied incorrectly.

And you think the taxpayers should pick up the tab.... With what money? Gonna raise taxes to pay for this? My guess is you don't pay taxes in the first place, and probably dream of making half of your proposed $40/hr.

'Moronic loser'.....I still think your application is entirely too far from your own keyboard.
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I suppose that more citizens would serve in the military if the pay were better, didn't interfere with their regular jobs . . . oh, and that getting killed thing . .
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Dude, your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Most jury selections for trial include at least one alternate, and in many cases two.

What makes you think that the time spent in a sequestered hotel should be compensated at a lesser rate than time in the courtroom? 13 jurors at $40/hr for 24 hrs is $12480. Incompetent or corrupt....seems like your 'moronic loser' comment, applied incorrectly.

And you think the taxpayers should pick up the tab.... With what money? Gonna raise taxes to pay for this? My guess is you don't pay taxes in the first place, and probably dream of making half of your proposed $40/hr.

'Moronic loser'.....I still think your application is entirely too far from your own keyboard.
I don't believe that. Can you provide examples?
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I've never had a jury trial without at least two alternates sitting when there's a 12 person panel, one if it's a six person petite jury. In about 20-30% of my trials, an alternate was required due to juror absence.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:53 PM
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I've never had a jury trial without at least two alternates sitting when there's a 12 person panel, one if it's a six person petite jury. In about 20-30% of my trials, an alternate was required due to juror absence.
That's interesting. We had no alternates on the 12 person jury I just served on.
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You are using specious logic. The defendant does not pay in our system, except in the most important and most extreme way of having to deal with a contemptible, underpaid jury.
The defendant 'pays' by having to be there and losing any wages. The court can find for the plaintiff and award court costs on top of damages.

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I agreed that jurors are a good thing. But we don’t get peers. Most peers will find a way to get out of jury duty. Mostly only those who can’t get out end up on juries, except in the cases such as the person who commented before you. Maybe that’s your idea of a peer, but it’s not mine.
There used to be a 'royalist' point of view that only nobles could judge other nobles, and they were therefore above reproach...

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Jurors should be fairly compensated. If you don’t comprehend that, it’s your problem.
It is not my problem, I simply do not agree with you that a jury needs to be 'fairly compensated' and from my viewpoint your proposals have serious flaws.
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Old 05-23-2009, 02:59 PM
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I could have lied to the court and told them that I would accept the word of a Chiropractor that someone was injured. I probably would have gotten on the case.
During voir dire, you are supposed to answer honestly. Lying to the court is never a wise course of action.

I guess you have never seen a Chiropractor?
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Old 05-23-2009, 03:43 PM
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That's interesting. We had no alternates on the 12 person jury I just served on.
That's interesting, the Texas constitution calls for 14 jurors.
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I said I was a convicted felon. They said see ya. The letter in post #1 is spot on. It's not a civic duty. Courts are really for generating revenue. Judges and cops are nothing but tax collectors.
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I said I was a convicted felon. They said see ya. The letter in post #1 is spot on. It's not a civic duty. Courts are really for generating revenue. Judges and cops are nothing but tax collectors.
I'll bet it costs more to have them on the payroll than they collect/raise.
Since your sharing how did you get convicted of a felony? How badly did the cops go out of their way to single out you? How much in fines did they collect and how much time did they spend? We should be able to do the math in a few posts.
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