http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1901491,00.html

The assumption that Jihaddists have crossed over to some nether region of irreversible, pyschotic devotion to mayhem becomes self-fulfilling when the mindset and methods of his Lordship, Dick Cheney are applied.

Most of these characters are lost souls. That's why the promise of 70 virgins in exchange for turning yourself and others into pureed flesh actually gets traction.

Story here, dude was diabetic, was certain the Americans were straight from the devil. Interrogator gives him sugar free cookies, dude opens up like large print book.

Abu Jandal's guards were so intimidated by him, they wore masks to hide their identities and begged visitors not to refer to them by name in his presence. He had no intention of cooperating with the Americans; at their first meetings, he refused even to look at them and ranted about the evils of the West. Far from confirming al-Qaeda's involvement in 9/11, he insisted the attacks had been orchestrated by Israel's Mossad. While Abu Jandal was venting his spleen, Soufan noticed that he didn't touch any of the cookies that had been served with tea: "He was a diabetic and couldn't eat anything with sugar in it." At their next meeting, the Americans brought him some sugar-free cookies, a gesture that took the edge off Abu Jandal's angry demeanor. "We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him," Soufan recalls. "So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures."

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Amazing! So, you're suggesting that sugarfree cookies catch more flies than vinegar?

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Certainly one of those inconvenient true stories!

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Especially note this paragraph:

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torture not necessary- just force feed them pickled pigs feet....

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You don't even have to do that.

Guys I know who are former guards told me that the guys who threw feces at the guards, refused to talk, screamed and made wild accusations, etc. were not removed from their cells to enjoy the once a month goat BBQ with the shish kafta and other down-home stuff. They had to eat MREs and a mix of chicken etc.

They couldn't play soccer in the exercise yard and had to watch the other guys.

Some changed after just missing two of the fun meals.

Speaking of which, a couple of those guys would tell you anything if they got a Happy Meal. One guy cried when, as punishment, they took away the toy he had been hiding inside his TP roll. His kid had had one just like it. So they gave it back and he was more cooperative. Some of this stuff is psychological.

When you take the CI/interrogator course, you get taught 28 different approaches. Obviously use what makes sense.

It's kind of like being a mechanic. You can attempt to remove the rusted-on nut with oil, a torch, banging on it, etc.

The carefullly planned and executed strategy gets the nut off without permanent damage, the less carefully executed strategy shears off the nut and makes more work...

Like Peter Drucker, the late management guru, said, " When the only tool you have is a hammer, pretty soon everyone begins to look like a nail..."

One guy spilled the beans.
Imagine this : "you can't eat the Mc Donalds, it's really pork, not beef!" " "How do YOU know?"
"I have eaten pork, I know what it...ooops....um... er... "

Abu Zubaydah is a different case.

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Now imagine that guy is actually innocent, which at Gitmo is quite probable, and he's been there locked up for years half a world away from his family. Not funny at all. Everyone here should wish for real justice rather than some islamophobic vengeance.

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i'm trying to understand something here: when its waterboarding and a policy of the previous administration that you don't personally like, the results/information is suspect. but when there's no non-physical or mental torture involved and it fits your own political ideology, the information extracted from it is without reproach?

how do you know for sure?

my beef is this: dont take away any tools to extract information. cookies and the nice approach work for some, but not others.

For some a plate of cookies or a big, hot fudge sundae, sitting just beyond the prisoner's reach might be enough to get them to spill their guts.

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Not sure what you mean. "No non-physical torture" means "physical torture," right?

Treating people like expendable dirt is never good. When they're in your custody as in this case, degrading, demeaning, or hurting them is a bit like putting a cat in a microwave.

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When the cat is already dead, or rabid, where's the harm?

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In the heat of battle, all civility takes a back seat to survival...ask ANY VETERAN that's been in any type of fire-fight...

Now, fresh from the battlefield is Akmed...with an attitude...

Guess who else is going to have the winning attitude and be able to enforce it?

That's the type of scene that was going on early in the campaign...

Now, a few years later, things are a bit more calm...or should be...

Sure, the US had a chip on its shoulder...and the US didn't want anyone exploding bombs around their personnel and related contacts...

Akmed and company couldn't care less...but as their numbers dwindled, they became not so much the problem as more of a nuisance...

So, we feed 'em sugar-free cookies and a few Happy Meals (personally, I'd consider the Happy Meal an insult...) for the sake of information/misinformation...TBD...

Here's the problem we're having now...too many arm-chair critics pretending outrage at what needed to be done at the moment...they didn't want to fight or volunteer to go after the bad guys...but they managed to get themselves in positions of "judgement" of those that had to clean up the messes, go after the perps and related dirty work...

I say let them play their little games but leave it in an "advisory scenario" only...no criminal charges unless there were GRIEVIOUS CRIMINAL ACTIONS on the part of the US or its contractors...and leave it under the military standards and NOT the civilian standards...

These folks weren't swept off the streets after crossing against a red light or were caught J-walking...there are/were legitimate charges/allegations against each one - all occuring during hostilities...not during a drunken brawl. Let the military finish it off and shut it down...but applying civilian standards against military combatants is appeasing Lefties and Socialists and doesn't contribute anything to the good and welfare of the United States...

Instead, it just sets the US up for another USS Cole-like situation...or worse...and we've been there already...

Just hate to see it again...but I'd be dreaming...

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Baloney. Most prisoners at Gitmo were swept up by rival Afghans looking for a cash bounty. Most have not been charged with any crimes. Check your facts.

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I only care about the truth. Even though I'm opposed to torture on legal/moral grounds, if there was evidence that it has produced valuable information I'd be more open to it. Read the whole article if you want to know more. It appears that the experts in the interrogation field are opposed to torture on practical grounds, simply because it's counter-productive and not intelligent.

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