We need to cut our losses on pouring more billions of $$$ down that rathole.

Ford makes a substantially better pick up truck.....all things considered, they have always done so.

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Here we go again. Now we are married to this cheap slut who spends money like crazy and gets into bad situations and we can't get out of it because we are too tied into it.

Well if we are living in fantasy world, sure. Didn't they already say that most of the money given to them is already gone and written off? But lets say the fantasy works. How many years? IS there an exit strategy?

It's against the history and against what his viewers want to happen. He has a viewer core that wants to hear certain things and he regurgitates them and they tune into his show. The math is pretty simple. Does he have an ideology of his own? I don't know.

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I'd like to see Briana Banks, Jenna Jameson and Tera Patrick in my bed tonight but that ain't happening either. They have been constantly losing market share and the competition has been gaining market share and a good reputation. Whether deserved or not, that is another story.

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99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

The logic of this post is missing.
You democrats were certainly 100% behind the last President and wanted him to succeed in all things didn't you.

BS

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I don't care about doing something or not doing it because it's 'good for the country'. That's how you get people not to question authority.

I don't care about wishing for failure either. That's worse than rooting for a player playing against your team to get injured. It's petty.
Make the right cars, and structure the business right, and you'll succeed. Don't and you won't. Failure doesn't get anybody anything. Success on the other hand can get people something.

I also think it's ludicrous to believe the government getting whatever it is they'll get for their 60 billion means that the government is going to go buy everything in every market. One thing does not become every thing.

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Why not?? They are costing the taxpayers billions of dollars a month.

They have already "failed," the problem is they are continuing to take billions of welfare dollars down the rathole with them.

They need to go away, just go away - to solve this mess they caused.

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BS X 2

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Please explain what Ford has to do with any of GM and Dodge's welfare problems in this thread??

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Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you? I couldn't stand the shrubbery but I didn't want him to fail at all; I just didn't want him doing most of the things he did. I have never been a fan of GM; I knew the day they would die was coming. They never looked good. I sure haven't seen any changes so, no va from me now either.

The Government DIDN'T BUY ANY SHARES OF ANYTHING...they said "We'll loan you money and we, in turn, will run your business (into the ground), then we'll tax the taxpayer to help prop up the cash we gave you (And that we printed out of thin air...) to buy you out, then when this adventure fails 'cause we can't even run a pay-toilet operation without losing our @55es, we'll just tap the taxpayer, again, to help pay off everyone that we stiffed on our watch during this little shindig."

Name just ONE government intervention that works properly, right now, other than the War Dept.. But lately, that's getting a screwjob 'cause the Demos can't agree to leave well enough alone, let alone have a cohesive thought as to what direction they should go...the blind, leading the deaf and dumb, to save the crippled and lame...throw money at the problem and run like hell away from any responsiblilty to be sure all is well...let someone else clean up the mess, or better yet, blame it on the Repos...

As for Rush and his ideology...it just might occur to some folks that having a paycheck at the end of the week and being able to buy store-stocked food, having a roof over one's head and wearing store-bought clothes is one of the basic tenants of being able to live in the United States...I don't need Government Cheese or housing to survive...and I don't need Uncle Sam's nipple to sustain me either...

As for the Government taking over General Motors (GMI.) and it becoming GMII., another car company that has NO responsibility to its shareholders (Us, the taxpayer...) is NOT what this country needs...

IF GMI. was on its way to the black hole of financial ruin, what better treatise it would have been to have the whole sordid affair out in the open, in order for all to see the public death of a once-great corporation due to government interference and union-abuse on a grand scale...all the year of crap from under the rocks, exposed for all to see...

But, now that the Government has become the controlling partner in the "new" GMII., when the company is finally sold on the block, all records of any governmental meddling will be destroyed, all/any payoffs will be "lost" and anything that could be use to point out and prosecute as malfeasance of the public trust will be forgotten...

GMI., GMII. and Chrysler for that matter will become the REOs and Willys of the automotive history books...and the sad part will be that our grandchildens' grandkids will still be paying for it...assuming that the United States still continues to exist that long...

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Facisim is dead.

Good riddance.

If a company is to big to fail, then it is too big to exist.

This is the lesson of our time.

Uncontrolled capitolism and greed have gotten us where we are.

But all of this is a good thing.

If we learn our lesson.

And proceed with our new found wisdom.

Correcting the errors of our ways.

I wish that were true.
Facism and Socialism are brothers; not polar opposites. Neither supports individual rights--at least for very long.
When even Pravda editorializes that the USA has descended so quickly into socialism without so much as a whimper, it shouold cause us all to pause., reflect, and reconsider.

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Like I said, I don't root for opposing players to get hurt either. I don't sit around wishing for negativity to happen to others. I don't delight in another's loss.

Besides, if they do fail, they are going to be pouring more and more money into it trying to save it. Who knows how long and how much before they finally stop. And maybe when it fails again, they'll restructure and try again. And again and again and again.
If they succeed, they reprivatize, and leave us with a good car maker employing millions, and provide us a manufacturer in our economy, creating real wealth.





No they aren't. I know some conservative wrote a book trying to tie democrats to Hitler, but it's not the case. At the root of power in Socialism are the people. At the root of power in Fascism is the leader. Socialism redistributes wealth. Fascism confiscates it. Socialism allows for dissent, in which people come above all else. Fascism is rabid nationalism, in which country comes above all else.

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Letting them fold and having the Chinese, Dutch, Australians and whoever else pick over the remains is also not a good option. We need to keep certain capabilities under US control, and I think transportation technology is one of them. Consider the lessons of WW2, when car production switched over to military purposes.

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I read this on a right-wing forum this morning and it turned my stomach. The idea that those on the right would put Americans by the thousands out of jobs and destroy what is left of this country's manufacturing base over political idealogy is mind-numbingly sickening. I hope they do it, it will turn the upper Mid West and the Northeast even more against them, and complete their transformation into the The Southern White People's Party. The slow suicide continues.