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MS Fowler 08-21-2009 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer (Post 2275665)
umm.... it still does.

Those racists were the DEMOCRATS.

panZZer 08-21-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2275691)
Those racists were the DEMOCRATS.

In Texas usta be Everyone was a Democrat-even the Republicans and then that nasty old Racism crept in and the white folks decided--There goes the neiborhood-I guess im a Republican since THOSE people are no longer scared of being lynched.

t walgamuth 08-21-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer (Post 2275700)
In Texas usta be Everyone was a Democrat-even the Republicans and then that nasty old Racism crept in and the white folks decided--There goes the neiborhood-I guess im a Republican since THOSE people are no longer scared of being lynched.

Your post is cryptic but I think I agree with you.

MS Fowler 08-22-2009 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by panZZer (Post 2275700)
In Texas usta be Everyone was a Democrat-even the Republicans and then that nasty old Racism crept in and the white folks decided--There goes the neiborhood-I guess im a Republican since THOSE people are no longer scared of being lynched.

That picture was not Texas.

RichC 08-22-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cscmc1 (Post 2275447)

Where in this link does it say every able bodied Swiss male is required to own a machine gun ????

This is part of your article that says the governement requires swiss males to undergo
some sort of military trainging. And between ages 21 32 they are given a m -57 to keep
at home.

I think the govenment giving you an assult rifel to keep at home during
military training is a far cry from

"every able bodied Swiss male is required to own a machine gun"

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Instead of a standing, full-time army, the country requires every man to undergo some form of military training for a few days or weeks a year throughout most of their lives.
Between the ages of 21 and 32 men serve as frontline troops. They are given an M-57 assault rifle and 24 rounds of ammunition which they are required to keep at home.

Medmech 08-22-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 2276032)
Where in this link does it say every able bodied Swiss male is required to own a machine gun ????

In the post you quoted, I'm guessing you did not read the article.

RichC 08-22-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Medmech (Post 2276038)
In the post you quoted, I'm guessing you did not read the article.

Yes, I even quoted the part of the article that was the closest to what was said.

Nowhere does it say "every able bodies Swiss male is required to own a machine gun"

Medmech 08-22-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 2276041)
Yes, I even quoted the part of the article that was the closest to what was said.

Nowhere does it say "every able bodies Swiss male is required to own a machine gun"

Read the 5th sentence.

Matt L 08-22-2009 11:09 AM

An assault rifle IS a machine gun. Only in popular culture has the name "assault rifle" been subverted to mean how it looks and not how it functions.

strelnik 08-22-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO (Post 2272571)
I’m not talking about what’s legal and what’s not.

If the SS feel that you are, or could possibly become a threat to the President, you will be removed to another location.
Legal right or not.


This is true. It's not by executive order, but by law passed by Congress in the 1860s, after John Wilkes Booth walked into the back of President Lincoln's theater box unchallenged and shot him in the back of the head. The Secret Service was created by that same law.

I do not see an incompatibility here, it depends on how everything is handled. When people do thinks to provoke thought, as long as they do it in a calm manner, that's democracy in action. That's a good thing.

I am watching the evolution of Nepal, where the King helped turn their respective countries into democracies, just like the king of Bhutan did. These guys thought the people were mature enough to govern themselves and their job was done. So they encouraged democracy. It's a little bumpy there, but it's working. The Maoists who want to start a Red Chinese type government are being frustrated by people who don't sswallow their line of baloney.

BTW if you didn't know, the Kingdom of Morocco has a VERY complete constitution that took several years to make.

Who ordered the political parties to draw it up? The current King's father. Then it got voted on by a national referendunm after people spent a year explaining it in the paper and on TV.

Curiously enough, it is more representative than our constitution, has more safeguards and was voted on directly by the people, not by a group of representatives, like our.

As long as we don't get carried away by ourselves, things should be ok.

RobTheMod 08-22-2009 11:32 AM

I had a cryptic thought about this the other day:

*IF* Obama is as terrible as the guys who bring rifles to his speeches say...

(I mean, he's the second coming of Stalin, or Mao, right? Time to water the tree of liberty, right? Right?)

Then, one of them's going to assassinate him.

Will that put Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney in their rightful place (the Big Chair?)

NO...

Again, remember that for the sake of this argument, Obama is the reincarnation of Pol Pot. You think President Biden will let the 2nd Amendment stand after the Dear Leader is killed???

*****This was meant in a devils-advocate way. I support the President. I also support the right to bear arms. I think carrying them to a speech like that does little to bring well-adjusted people to your line of thinking, but it's still America*****

strelnik 08-22-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt L (Post 2276065)
An assault rifle IS a machine gun. Only in popular culture has the name "assault rifle" been subverted to mean how it looks and not how it functions.


This is hair splitting.

All assault rifles, machine guns, submachine guns are all capable by design of operating in fully automatic mode.

The difference in name comes from two sources: foreign manufacturers translations, followed by individual government definitions OVER the years.

For those who are unaware:

Heavy machine gun (tripod)

Machine gun/machine rifle/ Maschinengewehr/ Ruchnoi pulemyot/

Light machine gun/ automatic rifle (as in BAR)

Assault rifle/Fusil automatique leger/LAR-light auto rifle

subachine guns/

Machine pistol/full auto pistol/Schnellfeuer

and these categories are not hard and fast. For example, the Communist East german Army called the AK47 (Rus: Avtomat Kalashnikova) the MPK or MaschinenPistoleKalaschnikow
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But all Swiss M-57 rifles fire a .30 caliber cartridge in single shot or automatic mode, so it is an automatic rifle used for armed/military assault .

There are NO assault rifles that fire ONLY one round per trigger pull. All are also full auto mode-equipped.


Hopefully this gets us from the use of loaded words and recirects the conversation.

I can make any semi-auto pistol except the Luger fire on full auto, but I was an armorer and knew what to look for. Besides, that's illegal and experimenters usually kill themselves. So don't try this at home.

Matt L 08-22-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik (Post 2276082)
This is hair splitting.

All assault rifles, machine guns, submachine guns are all capable by design of operating in fully automatic mode.

I don't know that it is hair-splitting, and if it is, it's splitting the definition where it deserves to be split.

People call a US civilian model AR15 an "assault rifle" which it is not. It is capable of semiautomatic fire only. This is directly on point to the discussion.

The assault weapon is capable of "select fire," which may or may not mean fully automatic in nature. Some of them use a three-round burst, but that is still a machine gun (actually, the BATFE term is "machinegun") because it can shoot more than one round with one pull of the trigger.

But as you state, select fire is not the only defining characteristic of an assault weapon. A .50 BMG certainly does not qualify.

t walgamuth 08-22-2009 03:58 PM

Isn't it true that the AK 47s and M 16s sold as semi automatics can fairly easily be converted to full automatic?

Matt L 08-22-2009 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2276246)
Isn't it true that the AK 47s and M 16s sold as semi automatics can fairly easily be converted to full automatic?

I have no idea about the AK, but the M15 (civilian designation) takes a few parts to convert it to select fire. Some civilian parts must be replaced, like the bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, sear and safety lever, and a few must be added.

While this may be possible, having any machine-gun-specific parts in your possession is the same as owning the machine gun itself. That's legal under some circumstances, but if you don't jump through all the hoops, it's something like 10 years in jail.


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