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Old 10-16-2009, 06:37 PM
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Can Physics Explain "Bad Luck?"

The CERN Supercollider is Sabotaging Itself

Okay, whiz kids, try wrapping your brains around this one!

A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.


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Old 10-17-2009, 02:04 PM
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The CERN Supercollider is Sabotaging Itself

Okay, whiz kids, try wrapping your brains around this one!

A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.
Sorta' like a "mobius loop-highway of destiny" - eh?

An "on-ramp" but no "off-ramp" to end the looping?

I'd find it easier to explain it on crappy contractors...but I'm a bit "jaded" on the whole "human-nature-being-what-it-is" scenario...

But, who am I to point fingers? Eh???
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:57 PM
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I don't believe in luck.

I've been following the news on the Large Hallidron Collider on Slashdot. The amount of work and information that can and will be gathered from the LHC is so important to our understanding of elementary physics.

The parts of the chamber that were vaporized back in october have been recooled and can start doing low power tests by december or january.

I am looking forward to the day they have it up to 100% capacity. The data that will be discovered will quite literally rock this world.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:00 PM
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I got to review this a few years back. Not exactly relevant since it relates to personal identity and consciousness of the self, but interesting nonetheless. Just thought the title of the book fit the nature of this phenomenon.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:09 PM
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Thanks for the reference. Hofstadter is brilliant. GEB was a great book.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:35 PM
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Oh, and by the way the Dr Nielsen's theory amounts to a plot re-write.

Everyone knows that in the DS9 episode “Rivals,” the authors explored the theory that a technology which alters the spin of neutrinos can change probability, better for some and worse for others.

But back to the subject, I think the phenomena is called the butterfly effect and is part of chaos theory.

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A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists
I suspect that the most relevant part of this paragraph might be the two words between "of" and "physicists"

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Here's a webcam of the LHC at CERN.

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
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So, they are correct either way -nothing happens and the time traveling boson is to blame, or it works, and they finally get to see the damned thing.
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I heard the cause was a bad solder joint which I find very easy to believe.

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