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Old 11-02-2009, 12:44 PM
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The sagging is likely caused by the original builder building "to Code". The Building Code allowed 3/8 OSB sheathing if clips were placed mid span. In my experience, 3/8 OSB is just not a good sheathing for exactly the reason to are seeing. I prefer a plywood sheathing 1/2 thick. Its a little overkill, but 25 years and my roof is flat while my neighbors all have some amount of sag.
1/2 ply is remarkably strong. 3/8 doesn't seem nearly good enough. Amazing how much strength that extra 1/8 inch adds.

I'd check to see how many layers of shingles are on it now. I've worked on roofs (rooves?) that have 4 or 5 layers. Heavy stuff.

I'd also go along with Kerry's opinion on metal roofing.

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Old 11-02-2009, 12:46 PM
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We are located in the beautiful Hudson Valley of NY. We get snow. Not by Zeus' standards, but probably more than most. It's a contemporary house with an average roof pitch - not shallow, not steep.

The skylights are Anderson, and by and large (knock wood) seem to be holding up nicely. I'm a little reluctant to fix what ain't broken (i.e.pull off old and install new flashing kits), and there are a ton of skylights - 16 to be exact. I wonder if there is some product to go around or over the existing flashing to reinforce it.

I will not be doing the work myself. That ship sailed quite awhile ago. I intend to stand on the ground and complain.

As long as we're here - who do you like for architectural asphalt shingles?
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:50 PM
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I will not be doing the work myself. That ship sailed quite awhile ago. I intend to stand on the ground and complain.
Ditto. Though I may do my own roof, as I would probably be too much of a PITA to inflict on crew...

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As long as we're here - who do you like for architectural asphalt shingles?
I always used IKO. I used to use their Chateau premium brand a fair bit, but they've updated since then. The 'Cambridge' style looks pretty nice...fibreglass reinforced as well.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:01 PM
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1/2 ply is remarkably strong. 3/8 doesn't seem nearly good enough. Amazing how much strength that extra 1/8 inch adds.

I'd check to see how many layers of shingles are on it now. I've worked on roofs (rooves?) that half 4 or 5 layers. Heavy stuff.

I'd also go along with Kerry's opinion on metal roofing.
The cheap 3 ply, 1/2" isn't so terrific. That's why I went with 5/8". If you stay with 1/2", you've got to sort the more costly 4 ply.

4 layers of roof signifies a complete moron. Walk away.
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:22 PM
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I've worked on roofs (rooves?)...
I was wondering about that myself.

Plural of hoof is hooves, so roof s/b rooves?????

On Google, "plural of roof" draws 71,400 responses.
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:00 PM
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Sounds like they used crap sheething, probably 3/8 OSB or some other garbage.

Use 1/2 ply, but the good 1/2 the 4ply stuff. We use it on all the new houses and never have an issue. The first house my uncle ever built in the 70's is down the street and the roof is still perfectly straight.
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:02 PM
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Don't skimp on roof vents. The best vent last time I checked is a multi-ridged maxflo roof vent. Make sure all bathroom exhaust vents are properly connected to the appropriate roof vent, and not venting into the attic (which will destroy and rot the sheeting).
Ever use Cobra vents Chris? They seem to work good around here thats what we use.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:08 PM
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Ever use Cobra vents Chris? They seem to work good around here thats what we use.
No, not familiar with those Hattie. Probably regional differences...
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:17 PM
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I have a large (6 car) garage with a very slight pitch. When I bought the place it had 9 layers of rolled roofing on it. That amounts to 900lbs of roofing per square. Lucky for me, we got hit by a hailstorm and the insurance replacement included removing all the old roofing. I replaced it with torch down modified.
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Old 11-02-2009, 06:07 PM
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I have a large (6 car) garage
I have serious garage envy!!!!
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Old 11-02-2009, 06:39 PM
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I have serious garage envy!!!!
No need. Apart from 2 garages in which my canoes are stored, the rest are rented out.
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What a timely subject matter.

This past weekend I repaired a section on the eave where the facia boards did not line up. I found a small hole in the shingle (the shingles are shot) that had allowed water to get to the wood underneath and caused some wood rot. The eve was sagging so I used the tractor bucket and a 2x4 to raise it back into the proper position and replace the rotten support. The boards under my roofing paper are 1x6 and I only have one roof on the place. I have not purchased any shingles yet so I just used roofing paper to cover it all up till I can get back to the supply house again. My plans are to replace the shingles over the next few months (I may study up on installing a metal roof and go that way). I'm learning all about what it takes to keep up an old house and it is more work (materials are cheaper) than keeping an old diesel MB going.

I am turning out to be a pretty good capenter albiet a bit slow but I was that way with the car repair work.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:12 AM
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What a timely subject matter.

This past weekend I repaired a section on the eave where the facia boards did not line up. I found a small hole in the shingle (the shingles are shot) that had allowed water to get to the wood underneath and caused some wood rot. The eve was sagging so I used the tractor bucket and a 2x4 to raise it back into the proper position and replace the rotten support. The boards under my roofing paper are 1x6 and I only have one roof on the place. I have not purchased any shingles yet so I just used roofing paper to cover it all up till I can get back to the supply house again. My plans are to replace the shingles over the next few months (I may study up on installing a metal roof and go that way). I'm learning all about what it takes to keep up an old house and it is more work (materials are cheaper) than keeping an old diesel MB going.

I am turning out to be a pretty good capenter albiet a bit slow but I was that way with the car repair work.
Those old roofs are the best! You probably have 1"x6" tongue and groove boards on 12" joists (which are likely a FULL 2" wide). You can park a truck on those roofs.

I used to gauge the quality of a roof deck by the hammer bounce (before pneumatic nailers came out). On a new roof, with crappy 3/8" OSB, the hammer would bounce wildly off the roof. Hard to set the roofing nails and you'd often need 3-4 hits to fully sink the nail. Annoying. The other end of the spectrum were homes like yours - war period homes with 1x6 boards for a deck. Almost no hammer bounce. One quick tap to set the nail and one strong hit to sink it. We'd fly on a roof like that. The nailer kind of evened the pace and made everyone a pro right away, but the hammer didn't lie!

Why I'm reminisicing I don't know. Probably miss those days a bit since I work behind a computer all day now...
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:34 AM
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3/8" OSB,
I'd be afraid that I'd snap one if I stepped between the joists............

I never thought that 1/2" plywood was all that terrific.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:44 AM
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I'd be afraid that I'd snap one if I stepped between the joists............

I never thought that 1/2" plywood was all that terrific.
Try carrying bundles of shingles (80lbs avg) across such a roof! We'd literally aim to step on joists. Morning dew often helped define the joists, help you step on them. We all put our foot through roofs at one point or another...

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