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Old 11-25-2009, 07:32 PM
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Fuk the liberals, My oldest son fought in Afghanistan for two years and received 2 purple hearts and many other medals. After fighting for his country, he now has to file bankruptcy because he can't pay his bills. It's like when the Government is done with you, they don't give a ****. Those Navy Seals deserve more respect, like in the olden days.
"The Government" is code for "liberals?" Was your son's financial situation directly due to laws or legislation enacted by a particular political persuassion or is it just convenient for you to use the phrase?

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My son had a great job before he had to go to WAR, the military made him pay for everything. He tried to keep up the lifestyle he was use to. But couldn't do it. He has two boys and a wife to take care of. I think that the Government should take better care of WAR hero's. That is all.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:56 PM
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My son had a great job before he had to go to WAR, the military made him pay for everything. He tried to keep up the lifestyle he was use to. But couldn't do it. He has two boys and a wife to take care of. I think that the Government should take better care of WAR hero's. That is all.
I agree, I know several reservists who have gotten sick of it and taken retirement.

I'm not sure how that relates to this news story; if these guys are guilty they are not doing other members of the military any favors by insisting on a trial.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:57 PM
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My son had a great job before he had to go to WAR, the military made him pay for everything. He tried to keep up the lifestyle he was use to. But couldn't do it. He has two boys and a wife to take care of. I think that the Government should take better care of WAR hero's. That is all.
OIC, the liberals made your son enter into the volunteer military. Liberals deployed him overseas. Liberals and their agenda sabotoged his ability to maintain his lifestyle. Or now it's "the government" . . . at the exclusion of conservatives and so-called "independents" and libertarians?
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Fuk the liberals, My oldest son fought in Afghanistan for two years and received 2 purple hearts and many other medals. After fighting for his country, he now has to file bankruptcy because he can't pay his bills. It's like when the Government is done with you, they don't give a ****. Those Navy Seals deserve more respect, like in the olden days.
Yeah.........those "conservatives" in the GWB administration really showed some respect for the men in uniform.................
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:03 PM
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Ah, another valuable contribution from the NJ debate team.

The boys i know who have a buzz in the travel trade from japon to that island you live on

i was their but it was in 1968

keep bugging me they want to send me a ticket soo i can come and hang with them again

i just might it was a very nice place back than i remember the radio station had a guy broadcasting in a palm tree right on the main drag accross from the beach on the big island
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Yeah.........those "conservatives" in the GWB administration really showed some respect for the men in uniform.................
"you go to war with the army you have"

"unknown unknowns might include .." well, in this case, unarmored humvees?

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so when Clinton cutting the defence budget did have an affect on what was ready after 911
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so when Clinton cutting the defence budget did have an affect on what was ready after 911
By how much did Clinton cut the defense budget in his second term?

I'm curious to see if you've got any facts or are simply trolling, yet again.
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Hey, no fair asking johnjzjz for specific facts, unfair! unfair!
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Hey, no fair asking johnjzjz for specific facts, unfair! unfair!
This time......he's putting them up........
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so when Clinton cutting the defence budget did have an affect on what was ready after 911
Clinton was just following the plan that GHW Bush had put in place.
From the Bush 1992 State of the Union Address-

"The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next 5 years. By 1997, we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office."
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My prediction. 2 get the charges dropped. The one who threw the punch gets court martialed and is acquitted. Remember, 7 or 8 Marines were charged with crimes and coverup at Haditha. 24 Iraqi civilians killed in that one. All except one had charges dropped and the Sgt. charged with voluntary manslaughter is still waiting trial. 3 years later.

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Law Versus Proportion (and Plain Sense)
J. E. Dyer - 11.25.2009 - 2:59 PM
The Special Operations Commander for Central Command (SOCCENT) has a truly distasteful situation to steer through. The man in question, Army Major General Charles Cleveland, has brought charges against three Navy SEALs who seized a notorious Iraqi terrorist in September. The terrorist, Ahmed Hashim Abed, was behind the brutal murder of American civilian security guards in Fallujah in 2004. Producing a “fat lip” as evidence, he complained to Iraqi authorities that he had been roughed up by the SEALs. Military investigation of the incident produced the charges.

The blogosphere is thundering with justifiable indignation over this, and some perspective may be useful. It is, first of all, superficial to characterize the military’s motive for charging the SEALs as “political correctness,” an analysis that implies a self-conscious rejection of common sense and reality to avoid political retribution or to reap political reward. There is a deeper and genuine conflict at work here, between the rule of law, applied with meticulous honesty, and our sense of proportion and decency. This is a recurring conflict in all civilized societies: there are times when no reasonable man thinks the punishment fits the crime, even when there is little disagreement that a crime as defined by law has been committed.

The plain fact is that according to U.S. national policy, enforced by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, it is a felony-level crime for our soldiers to give detainees bloody lips in the gratuitous manner with which the SEALs are charged. That policy itself may well be an exercise in political correctness, but carrying it out is merely the enforcement of discipline.

The convening authority would not bring charges unless his legal advisers thought there was enough evidence for conviction. Much as I think he would hate to, my guess is that General Cleveland has preferred charges because, by the letter of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), the case merits prosecution. We mustn’t dismiss as irrelevant the paramount imperative of discipline in military operations. If the SEALs did beat Abed unnecessarily, the point for the military is not that Abed got a fat lip but that the SEALs breached discipline — and that is even more intolerable in Special Ops than in other branches. Indiscipline gets friendly forces killed and jeopardizes crucial missions.

The SEALs, all enlisted petty officers, have done what they can to obtain a just outcome. They were originally offered “non-judicial punishment,” a summary proceeding in which their commander could have administered, essentially, only a wrist-slap. But in their “zero-defect” community, a wrist-slap ends the hope of promotion. As is their right under the UCMJ, they chose court-martial instead, which will entail airing evidence before a military jury. Their preference here is almost certainly not a calculation but a belief: a belief in the intrinsically just character of their fellows in uniform.

I hope the SEALs are acquitted. That would be the just outcome. For a breach of discipline on the order implied here, the commonsense remedy is for the commander to put his men at attention, yell at them for half an hour, deny them some liberty, and give them some extra duty. But our national policy dictates another, disproportionate approach. I’m not sure how a civilized society avoids such confrontations entirely, but I will say this: juries have rescued the accused from the law before, and if anything will accomplish that for the SEALs, it’s a panel of their comrades in arms.

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Yeah.........those "conservatives" in the GWB administration really showed some respect for the men in uniform.................
I thought GWB said "Mission Accomplished " years ago.
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Fox news is awaiting the group apology
For what? As I recall, all people said was that Fox is not a reliable news source. That hasn't changed just because something they reported happened to be true. Good grief. How many times do they need to be caught lying before people stop taking then seriously?

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