Don't ask me.

Within the past year I dated TWO divorced females, each of whom proclaimed to me that they were "Born Again Virgins" (in their 40s and 50s -- one with three grown up kids).

Each proclaiming a fervent desire to get married.

I dunno.

I informed each (gently) as follows

1. Some gifts are of more value to the "Giver" than to the "Gifted"


2. A serious relationship between a man and woman needs compatibility in ALL areas; and sexuality is not the LEAST important of these...


But, I passed both of those opportunities up, and am still (thankfully) unmarried!!

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2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

good post, kerry. (as always)

i will use the c-word again, much to the dismay of many, i am sure.

and i sympathize with the "newly converted - born again" (not that i want to spend a lot of time with them. )

as a shrink explained it once:

"people get beaten down and so desperate, and these groups prey (no pun intended) on them when they are weak and irrational."

he was describing the twelve step groups, but agreed that it applied to all of the "spiritual" movements.

ok, thats all.

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http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S14/34/91C82/

Looks like Lindsay was doing similar work to Sharlet's on the elite power of fundamentalism

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1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

So, if I refuse to believe in your deity, can I still get that "gift"? As you said, if it is earned, it is due someone, IOW it it is NOT a gift. IF I have to trade my believing in your ways to earn that "gift", how is it a "gift" as you have just defined? It is now a bartered item. Your "gift" for my belief in you.

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Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but what exactly is a born again virgin? Does that mean they don't put out anymore, or is it a surgical procedure? With plastic surgery I guess they can do anything these days.

IMO it is for those who are wanting to have a hymen redone but cannot afford it so they go for the cheaper option.

What world do you live in? Never heard of Hymenorrhaphy?

http://www.revirgination.net/hymenrepair.html

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99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

We are a nation of puritans and religious fanatics.

Politics has always played a large role in Americas invasive foreign policy. Unfortunately, religion has slithered into US politics (not much difference from our rule by England).

Religion takes over where common sense leaves off.

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Religion has "slithered in"?
Its been here since the founding. It was the principle cause for several of the original colonies. Look at the preamble to any State constitution, as late as HI and AL. They ALL have a statement that credits Almighty God with their founding.
You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Please do not re-write history to fit your current POV.

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It's pretty hard to seen any religious fanaticism in the perfunctory reference to divine guidance in the preamble, which in classically deistic terms, reserves all powers of governance, not to God, but the people.

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF HAWAII

PREAMBLE

We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance, and mindful of our Hawaiian heritage and uniqueness as an island State, dedicate our efforts to fulfill the philosophy decreed by the Hawaii State motto, "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono."

We reserve the right to control our destiny, to nurture the integrity of our people and culture, and to preserve the quality of life that we desire.

We reaffirm our belief in a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and with an understanding and compassionate heart toward all the peoples of the earth, do hereby ordain and establish this constitution for the State of Hawaii. [Am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

There's no mention of God in the US Constitution or it's Preamble. The Declaration of Independance refers only "all men are endowed by their creator"- a very clever deist statement.

I think it may also have something to do with a persons inability to think critically. Also it may have appeal to followers. My father in law just became a born again when he remarried. Not sure if he did it on his own or if he became born again because of his new wife. She is a baptist I believe. Some of the emails I get from him are just off the chart wacky. He just forwards what others give to him. I suspect that concept can be transferred to the religious reawakening as well. He (they) just take what ever is spooned to them and take it in. There is a sense of belonging (as long as you go with the flow) and the belief that you are part of something. Start thinking on your own and the clan will turn on you like a rabid dog if they do not feel you can be saved again.

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

^You don't "get any" until after you groove that diamond ring onto their itchy little finger, that is what it means.


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So far as surgical procedures, I can only quote the same MD mentioned in my signature below, (who lived in Arkansas) and at the age of 49, was bemoaning her longtime intervals of going WITHOUT sex, as a passionate single person:


"I wonder whether cobwebs could substitute as hymens?"

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

I do not believe I reference the DOI, or the US Constitution.

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I know, just bringing some additonal information to discussion. All the states accept the US Constitution as condition of statehood. The DOI is one of the most important and influencial documents ever drafted.

I believe your initial statement was that somehow religion "slithered" into politics. I responded that it was there from the very beginning. I do NOT believe I argued about religious fanatics- unless you call anyone who mentions a Creator a religious fanatic. THAT is like calling someone a Nazi--its not intended to further the debate, but shut down the argument on an emotional basis.

Its difficult to have an intelligent discussion when the topic keeps changing.

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