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Old 12-29-2009, 03:27 PM
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I can see how a failure in business, relationships, or health might make a person susceptible to this kind of change. I wonder if that holds up statistically. Not so sure on fear. Are people who get born again, more fearful people to start with?
Some people need to be told how to live their lives. What scares me is the Jim Jones' of society who prey on the weak and use Jesus as a way to clean out their wallets and live in the promised land....that bothers me.
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:30 PM
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Some people need to be told how to live their lives. What scares me is the Jim Jones' of society who prey on the weak and use Jesus as a way to clean out their wallets and live in the promised land....that bothers me.
Like the current president?
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:34 PM
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Some people need to be told how to live their lives. What scares me is the Jim Jones' of society who prey on the weak and use Jesus as a way to clean out their wallets and live in the promised land....that bothers me.
well, one must always tip one's hat to a good con. preferably though, when the con man is being led away in shackles.

a friend grew up in a church where every week the preacher would - at collection time - remind the congregants: " you can't outgive god - but, nevertheless, you certainly must try!"
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:46 PM
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doesn't it go back to "manifest destiny"?
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IMHO, the term "manifest destiny" was just a buzz word to justify annexing land. I'm not sure it ever had any real meaning, sorta like the "war on terror."
Another wild and wacky buzz word, thanks democrats!

Journalist John L. O'Sullivan, an influential advocate for the Democratic Party, wrote an article in 1839 which, while not using the term "Manifest Destiny", did predict a "divine destiny" for the United States based upon values such as equality, rights of conscience, and personal enfranchisement-- "to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man". This destiny was not explicitly territorial, but O'Sullivan predicted that the United States would be one of a "Union of many Republics" sharing those values.[5]
Six years later O'Sullivan wrote another essay which first used the phrase Manifest Destiny. In 1845, he published a piece entitled Annexation in the Democratic Review,[6] in which he urged the United States to annex the Republic of Texas, not only because Texas desired this, but because it was "our manifest destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions".[7] Amid much controversy, Texas was annexed shortly thereafter, but O'Sullivan's first usage of the phrase "Manifest Destiny" attracted little attention.[8]
O'Sullivan's second use of the phrase became extremely influential. On December 27, 1845 in his newspaper the New York Morning News, O'Sullivan addressed the ongoing boundary dispute with Great Britain in the Oregon Country. O'Sullivan argued that the United States had the right to claim "the whole of Oregon":
And that claim is by the right of our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us.[9]
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:11 PM
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Another wild and wacky buzz word, thanks democrats!

Journalist John L. O'Sullivan, an influential advocate for the Democratic Party, wrote an article in 1839 which, while not using the term "Manifest Destiny", did predict a "divine destiny" for the United States based upon values such as equality, rights of conscience, and personal enfranchisement-- "to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man". This destiny was not explicitly territorial, but O'Sullivan predicted that the United States would be one of a "Union of many Republics" sharing those values.[5]
Six years later O'Sullivan wrote another essay which first used the phrase Manifest Destiny. In 1845, he published a piece entitled Annexation in the Democratic Review,[6] in which he urged the United States to annex the Republic of Texas, not only because Texas desired this, but because it was "our manifest destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions".[7] Amid much controversy, Texas was annexed shortly thereafter, but O'Sullivan's first usage of the phrase "Manifest Destiny" attracted little attention.[8]
O'Sullivan's second use of the phrase became extremely influential. On December 27, 1845 in his newspaper the New York Morning News, O'Sullivan addressed the ongoing boundary dispute with Great Britain in the Oregon Country. O'Sullivan argued that the United States had the right to claim "the whole of Oregon":
And that claim is by the right of our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us.[9]
and let the native americans and mexicans be damned. (in the name of the lord, of course! )
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and let the native americans and mexicans be damned. (in the name of the lord, of course! )
According to the democrat who first coined the term!
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:13 PM
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According to the democrat who first coined the term!
I guess that makes you a whig (look it up).
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:42 PM
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According to the democrat who first coined the term!
um, what whit of difference does it make that they were democrats? ok, they were democrats. and? they were genocidal imperialists using the cover of - or perhaps true believers in - god ordained goodness and selfrighteousness. be very afraid of people who tell you they are doing the "lord's work".

please note title of thread... american fundamentalism.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:25 PM
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Some people need to be told how to live their lives. What scares me is the Jim Jones' of society who prey on the weak and use Jesus as a way to clean out their wallets and live in the promised land....that bothers me.
You never heard the saying "A fool and his money are soon parted"? Isn't that how it should be? The stupid get preyed on legally and have their money separated from them?
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