It is not actually "done". This vote simply ends debate. The next hurdle is the Conference Committee, where the House and Senate bills will be reconciled. Then we will have a final bill. This thing has another month to go.

You mean private sector, no?

Govt. growth projections:

Government. Between 2008 and 2018, government employment, excluding employment in public education and hospitals, is expected to increase by 7 percent. Growth in government employment will be fueled by expanding demand for public safety services and assistance provided to the elderly, but dampened by budgetary constraints and the outsourcing of government jobs to the private sector. State and local governments, excluding education and hospitals, are anticipated to grow by 8 percent as a result of the continued shift of responsibilities from the Federal Government to State and local governments. Federal Government employment, including the Postal Service, is expected to increase by 3 percent."



We have government we can't afford...at all levels.

And just how much money of the 787 billion stimulus was doled out to states to plug their budget gaps? I know here in NJ they used 3 billion or so to plug the budget. Meaning, no personnel layoffs at the state level. Aid to municipalities and school districts was kept intact to avoid local and school employee layoffs too. How much money did California use of US tax dollars...borrowed from China...to keep the state and local workers in jobs?? Much more than NJ I'm sure.

The public sector is clueless as to how bad it is in other areas of the economy. In my piss-ant little town police expense accounts for 41% of the local muni. budget....most all of that is labor.

You're just not listening to enough Glenn Beck.

I understand, but it's a done deal and it's off the floor now. There should be a pretty quick vote when it comes back from committee. The house members will not be happy, but they're not going to vote against it.

From Vermont, in their own words. Imagine what's going on in a state with a lot of people?

Stimulus Helps Public Job Growth; Private Sector Still Lags
August 2009 Jobs Brief

The public sector added 1,700* jobs in July, many of them youth services jobs paid for with federal stimulus funds. Meanwhile, the private sector reported more job losses last month.

State government jobs increased by 1,100 in July. According to the Vermont Department of Labor, youth services employment accounted for about 900 of those jobs and added about $2.7 million to the monthly payroll. Jobs through youth services employment programs are counted as state government jobs even though young people working are not state employees. Vermont has been reducing the state payroll through attrition and lay-offs.

Private sector jobs continued to decline and undercut the gains in the public sector last month. The private sector, which accounts for about 80 percent of the jobs in Vermont, lost 800 jobs in July. Since the start of the recession, the private sector has lost 15,600 jobs – more than 6 percent.

With the help of stimulus funds, the number of public sector jobs was about 2.5 percent higher than before the recession.

Unemployment dropped sharply in July and was below 7 percent for the first time since January. But the job market is still tight. The latest survey by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, found in June there were four unemployed workers for every job opening in the Northeast, which includes New England, New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The ratio of job-seekers to jobs was twice as bad in June as it was before the recession. (Figure 2.)


The unemployment rate dropped to 6.8 percent in July. However, that is a preliminary number, and the Vermont Department of Labor said it could be revised upward next month. Last month, the preliminary June unemployment rate was 7.1 percent, but it was adjusted to 7.3 percent in the latest report. (Figure 3.)


*All jobs figures are seasonally adjusted.

Download the Jobs Brief in PDF.


http://publicassets.org/publications/monthly-jobs-report/august-2009/

[QUOTE=JollyRoger;2365479] Why do you even care at all?QUOTE]

Why do I care at all? Hows this sound. My wife and I are both self employed and pay OVER $12,000 A YEAR FOR MEDICAL INSCURANCE!!! Does that answer your question? Plus I am a US citizen and have a right to opinion.

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Yes, quite right, I meant private sector.

Where is this 10 year "projection" from? Since the current rate of federal job growth back in 2008 was about 0.77%, is that where the 7% over ten years is from?

Overall, I also want smaller government but I think I'm missing your point.

Are you concerned because the stimulus package is creating public jobs instead of private jobs? I believe that was intentional, it is much easier (and faster) to directly create jobs than to wait for a "trickle down" effect. You can help wall street recover with fiscal policy, but you will have a "jobless recovery" for some period of time until the markets actually believe that it's for real. I have no problem with the creation of "youth services jobs" in the short term if it helps drive down unemployment. I guess we could just use more money to "rescue" banks instead, would that create more jobs in the short term?

The reality is that the government only has a few mechanisms to dump cash into the economy.

I googled "public sector job growth" It was the second hit.
US DOL BLS. I'll save you the trouble.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/oco2003.htm

edit: "Govt. growth projections" is my phrase. The rest is a direct quote.

This bill is a way to further expand the roll of government in our personal lives. This is already a problem. I'm a member of the younger generation... I'm 26. I have friends who are not complaining about working during finals... they are complaining about their welfair checks getting delayed. I've talked to them about being on welfair, and they see it as an entitlement. My friend worked a good job, his wife got pregnant. and then he lost his job. they went from unemployment to welfair because of their child. now my friend is back in school taking classes, living off government grants and welfair for his child. they do not feel ashamed at all to be in this situation, to them its part of being a US citizen. this health care bill will only expand what they see as rightfully theirs.

On the flip side I work 40hrs a week, and bought a house last year. If I'm not at work, I'm repairing my house or my car, trying to save money. The younger generation is not compleatly screwed... but I can tell you that at least 50% of the people I know think they are entitled to goverment programs, and I think that mindset is the most dangerous part of this converstaion.

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Thanks for the link . . . yes, BLS is extrapolating the 0.7-0.8% federal job growth number forward. However, that rate was an anomoly compared to the prior administration periods. Also, the report seems to give an optomistic view of women in the workplace, since those numbers have retreated over the last couple years. Fewer women than in recent history are entering and remaining in the workforce.

I'm concerned, because, imo, the stimulus is creating few new jobs. Most of the jobs created or saved are the latter, not the former. That's my guess.
Sheet, they're sending and extending and re-extending unemployment benefits out to people to to do N-o-t-h-i-n-g. That ain't work in my part of the world.

Youth service jobs? Keepin' em off the streets mostly is my hunch. The folks at the Census Bureau are hiring. $15.00 an hour for door knockers. Probably plenty of openings since Acorn got cut loose from the gravy train.


The government class has shared little of the pain. That's my beef.
"Gimme, Gimme. Gimme." Public educators too.

No offense, and I'm glad to hear your doing the right thing; but your comments about "kids today" could probably be applied to every generation in modern history. Somehow they all grow up and become responsible (so they can screw up the next generation).

I do agree that there is room for abuse in the system, but I also don't think it's the end of life as we know it or part of some master plan. This is the kind of stuff they won't even make it into the footnotes of a history book in 100 years. If you have insurance, it probably will never affect you; when you are earning mid-six figures, you may have to pay some more taxes.

I'm just worried that when you have people expecting the goverment to provide for them, then you will get less people making thoses mid six figure numbers thus less income for the goverment... its a recipe for failure.

You should not depend on the government. I think Kennedy said it well "Ask not, what your country can do for you. Ask what, you can do for your country."

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